Cajun Navy - Training, Permits, License and Fees

[Spunt Drag]

Originally Posted by Marque

All they have to know is where they are in the chain of command and don't do unless you are given an order to by someone in a position of authority.

Originally Posted by Marque

Let the cops and fireman be the Heroes until there there's a need for you to be one. I think they would be more likely to ask for aassistance from Joe blow if they had some confidence they wouldn't end up having to rescue him as well.

My god, man.

[ckinchen]

Guys just be thankful you live in a state where people still come together for the community and try to help one another. Baton Rouge before this was in the middle of a racial war with BLM, etc.... Once the flooding started that didn't matter anymore. Everyone helped each other.

[swampman46]

One of the few times I agree with duckman about anything. Train people for something that we may never see happen again in our lives? If I was stranded in a sinking car, do you think I care wether the hand that's reaching out for me is licensed, trained, or qualified rescuer? Or if he has a 6-pack of beer in his boat? All I will care about is grabbing the hand that is reaching out to me.
Like everything else these days, the media has turned a good thing into a contraversy. Now the local gov't is in play. Greed is ugly!

[Marque]

And do I really have to remind you guys how crazy lawsuits are nowadays. Whats to prevent some you rescue from suing you or the state if they are hurt while in your care? If the State is complicit with allowing the average untrained citizen to rescue its citizens they they can most likely be held liable for damages incurred while in your care. God forbid someone dies because you didn't have a 4 hour first aid class. If there isn't some paper work that can absolve the state from that responsiblity than that is a big risk they assume. Anyone volunteering his boat in a rescue doesn't have the proper liability insurance then hold on for the ride. That is the nature of the world we live in. The state has a responsibly to protect themselves from liability the same as you. Lawyers can find loopholes everywhere.

[Top Dawg]

Originally Posted by Marque

And do I really have to remind you guys how crazy lawsuits are nowadays. Whats to prevent some you rescue from suing you or the state if they are hurt while in your care? If the State is complicit with allowing the average untrained citizen to rescue its citizens they they can most likely be held liable for damages incurred while in your care. God forbid someone dies because you didn't have a 4 hour first aid class. If there isn't some paper work that can absolve the state from that responsiblity than that is a big risk they assume. Anyone volunteering his boat in a rescue doesn't have the proper liability insurance then hold on for the ride. That is the nature of the world we live in. The state has a responsibly to protect themselves from liability the same as you. Lawyers can find loopholes everywhere.

Simple solution. Before u rescue them, ask them if they are a lawyer...

[seachaser250]

Originally Posted by Top Dawg

Simple solution. Before u rescue them, ask them if they are a lawyer...

holy crap that was funny!

[Lake Chuck Duck]

Originally Posted by Marque

And do I really have to remind you guys how crazy lawsuits are nowadays. Whats to prevent some you rescue from suing you or the state if they are hurt while in your care? If the State is complicit with allowing the average untrained citizen to rescue its citizens they they can most likely be held liable for damages incurred while in your care. God forbid someone dies because you didn't have a 4 hour first aid class. If there isn't some paper work that can absolve the state from that responsiblity than that is a big risk they assume. Anyone volunteering his boat in a rescue doesn't have the proper liability insurance then hold on for the ride. That is the nature of the world we live in. The state has a responsibly to protect themselves from liability the same as you. Lawyers can find loopholes everywhere.

Yes, you are right, its the nature of the world we live in. A world where some A-hole lawyer is going to put up a bilboard that says "Hurt in a boat while being rescued from certain death? You are entitled to cash! Call me!".

[duckman1911]

Originally Posted by Lake Chuck Duck

Yes, you are right, its the nature of the world we live in. A world where some A-hole lawyer is going to put up a bilboard that says "Hurt in a boat while being rescued from certain death? You are entitled to cash! Call me!".

As much as I laughed at this it is unfortunatly the truth. It was funny as hell though.

[Feesherman]

Originally Posted by Marque

And do I really have to remind you guys how crazy lawsuits are nowadays. Whats to prevent some you rescue from suing you or the state if they are hurt while in your care? If the State is complicit with allowing the average untrained citizen to rescue its citizens they they can most likely be held liable for damages incurred while in your care. God forbid someone dies because you didn't have a 4 hour first aid class. If there isn't some paper work that can absolve the state from that responsiblity than that is a big risk they assume. Anyone volunteering his boat in a rescue doesn't have the proper liability insurance then hold on for the ride. That is the nature of the world we live in. The state has a responsibly to protect themselves from liability the same as you. Lawyers can find loopholes everywhere.

Google good Samaritan laws and den holla back.

[ckinchen]

If "classes" are required the ones that really will risk it all to help will still come out and help and not worry about the classes. Overall it will just cut down on the number of people that actually do want to help. The Cajun navy was needed. We didn't have enough government or emergency personal in the area at the time of need to help the number of people that really needed help. I can tell you now if I thought someone was drowning and I had a boat in the area I would go and save them if I could. If the military wants to shoot me in the back while I'm on my way to help or if I get sued by the person I tried to help then I will deal with it. I can tell you what I wouldn't do is sit around and wait for the "commander" to give me some order in a crisis situation. For those of you that work in plants that should remind you of the week you sit around doing nothing waiting on permits. More government oversight and red tape is the last thing anyone needs.

[duckman1911]

What it boils down to is our government got bi tch slapped. People had friends, neighbors, family and communities that were in trouble and people helped. They didn't care about permission or training or certifications. They did what had to be done to help and it was a big middle finger to the government. They were shown just how little they are needed and now they are pissed.

[Marque]

Originally Posted by duckman1911

What it boils down to is our government got bi tch slapped. People had friends, neighbors, family and communities that were in trouble and people helped. They didn't care about permission or training or certifications. They did what had to be done to help and it was a big middle finger to the government. They were shown just how little they are needed and now they are pissed.

I am in no way disagreeing with you about people helping people out. But I think after the last few hurricanes and now this flood its obvious the state would benefit from some sort of auxiliary rescue organization. Like fire or police have. They are trained and responding to a disaster is no less dangerous. There are laws in place that prevent civilians from entering disaster areas. Those laws are primarily geared toward limiting the states liability because martial law usually applies to disaster areas. People really want to help each other out they shouldn't mind learning the basics of disaster response. I spend enough time on the water to realize that a large majority of people who own boats are truly clueless about safely operating them. Throw in the chaos of a natural disaster and you have a time bomb on your hands. I was in NOLA right after Katrina and it was chaos, there was no organization no coordination. There were 100 different organizations operating independently until they put Gen H in charge and from then on thing went soother. In the Marine Corps I responded to an earthquake in Turkey and it was bedlam because of the lack of command and control in the response, the government 1st responders and government officials just went home. 2000 marines basically did the job of 20,000 because there was no break down. Everyone has a job to do and does it. Logistically speaking the response to this flood was easy. There wasn't mass power outages, phone lines down or anything else like you have during a hurricane. When 1500 people dead in their houses and just as many on the verge of dying the only way to get them to safety is for the response to be organized. The only thing that maintains order in that situation is that there is no doubt there is someone in charge and on top of it. Other wise you get riots and looting. Use some common sense. If there is no one there to save someones life do you think I am in favor of letting them drown. I feel like I am arguing with women. Really every situation is different but the law has to be encompassing enough to address these problems and flexible at the same time. I am not Monday morning quarterbacking I just try to see more than one side to an argument. I am smart enough to realize I don't know everything.

[duckman1911]

Originally Posted by Marque

I am in no way disagreeing with you about people helping people out. But I think after the last few hurricanes and now this flood its obvious the state would benefit from some sort of auxiliary rescue organization. Like fire or police have. They are trained and responding to a disaster is no less dangerous. There are laws in place that prevent civilians from entering disaster areas. Those laws are primarily geared toward limiting the states liability because martial law usually applies to disaster areas. People really want to help each other out they shouldn't mind learning the basics of disaster response. I spend enough time on the water to realize that a large majority of people who own boats are truly clueless about safely operating them. Throw in the chaos of a natural disaster and you have a time bomb on your hands. I was in NOLA right after Katrina and it was chaos, there was no organization no coordination. There were 100 different organizations operating independently until they put Gen H in charge and from then on thing went soother. In the Marine Corps I responded to an earthquake in Turkey and it was bedlam because of the lack of command and control in the response, the government 1st responders and government officials just went home. 2000 marines basically did the job of 20,000 because there was no break down. Everyone has a job to do and does it. Logistically speaking the response to this flood was easy. There wasn't mass power outages, phone lines down or anything else like you have during a hurricane. When 1500 people dead in their houses and just as many on the verge of dying the only way to get them to safety is for the response to be organized. The only thing that maintains order in that situation is that there is no doubt there is someone in charge and on top of it. Other wise you get riots and looting. Use some common sense. If there is no one there to save someones life do you think I am in favor of letting them drown. I feel like I am arguing with women. Really every situation is different but the law has to be encompassing enough to address these problems and flexible at the same time. I am not Monday morning quarterbacking I just try to see more than one side to an argument. I am smart enough to realize I don't know everything.

I get your point also. Thank You for your service to our country btw. My point along with others is who funds this? Oh taxpayers do. How do you train/organize people for something that happens once in a decade? This isn't the military. It's not their job. People lost their job, their business and knowing the money they had was all they had to rebuild they still chose to go out, spend money and help. I'm not mad at you man. Just venting I guess. I live north so no flooding but I live south La. And the people. This was just more proof of why I love it so much

[ckinchen]

Originally Posted by duckman1911

I get your point also. Thank You for your service to our country btw. My point along with others is who funds this? Oh taxpayers do. How do you train/organize people for something that happens once in a decade? This isn't the military. It's not their job. People lost their job, their business and knowing the money they had was all they had to rebuild they still chose to go out, spend money and help. I'm not mad at you man. Just venting I guess. I live north so no flooding but I live south La. And the people. This was just more proof of why I love it so much

Well said we can all have a different point of view. Also thank you to those of you that serve and have served.

[eman]

I can understand that most here have more boat driving experience than most LEOs. But that is not what the training will be ,it will be organizational skills and communication .
everyone here knows who Jim Hawthorne is, He and his wife sat an extra 2 days hearing boats on other streets , but none on theirs, Everyone thought that someone else had cleared that small street. One boater decided since he hadn't been down that street he would go back to his trailer that way. saved their life. If rescuers are registered then they can be assigned a grid to search. That way every street gets checked at least 2-3 times. I'm not saying that if the govt is not ready for you not to go But it will do away w/ so much duplication allowing boats to spread out farther and rescue more people. it will also weed out the cooyons that are just looking.

[duckman1911]

Originally Posted by eman

I can understand that most here have more boat driving experience than most LEOs. But that is not what the training will be ,it will be organizational skills and communication .
everyone here knows who Jim Hawthorne is, He and his wife sat an extra 2 days hearing boats on other streets , but none on theirs, Everyone thought that someone else had cleared that small street. One boater decided since he hadn't been down that street he would go back to his trailer that way. saved their life. If rescuers are registered then they can be assigned a grid to search. That way every street gets checked at least 2-3 times. I'm not saying that if the govt is not ready for you not to go But it will do away w/ so much duplication allowing boats to spread out farther and rescue more people. it will also weed out the cooyons that are just looking.

Not trying to argue but I've been on scene with ff, police, emt and still watched peoole die. Not everybody gets to live. It sucks but it is that way.

[Jcredeur]

Originally Posted by eman

I can understand that most here have more boat driving experience than most LEOs. But that is not what the training will be ,it will be organizational skills and communication .
everyone here knows who Jim Hawthorne is, He and his wife sat an extra 2 days hearing boats on other streets , but none on theirs, Everyone thought that someone else had cleared that small street. One boater decided since he hadn't been down that street he would go back to his trailer that way. saved their life. If rescuers are registered then they can be assigned a grid to search. That way every street gets checked at least 2-3 times. I'm not saying that if the govt is not ready for you not to go But it will do away w/ so much duplication allowing boats to spread out farther and rescue more people. it will also weed out the cooyons that are just looking.

Unless they have been out there chest deep going door to door only to realize that that tea was already cleared or got back to the station thinking you have completed your job and you get called to an area where civilian boats didn't communicate that they didn't clear, they won't understand....


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[ckinchen]

Originally Posted by Jcredeur

Unless they have been out there chest deep going door to door only to realize that that tea was already cleared or got back to the station thinking you have completed your job and you get called to an area where civilian boats didn't communicate that they didn't clear, they won't understand....


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You take the organized efforts of the LEO's and government and let them do exactly what was described where you go street to street, etc.. and that force builds up over time. The first responders which in this case was the Cajun navy, they run around in chaos mode doing the best that they can knowing that the organized effort is going to check street by street, door to door. In order to organize with civilians you would have to be able to communicate. Cell phones didn't work, civilians generally do not have police radios or even marine radios on most boats. You never know where the flood is going to be so you can't at least in the early stages setup a check point for helpers at every possible boat launch or access point. The government was not ready to lead or guide anyway, it happened to quickly. I don't blame them and I haven't heard anyone else blame LEO's either. People just got to work. No permit required.

[Jcredeur]

Originally Posted by ckinchen

You take the organized efforts of the LEO's and government and let them do exactly what was described where you go street to street, etc.. and that force builds up over time. The first responders which in this case was the Cajun navy, they run around in chaos mode doing the best that they can knowing that the organized effort is going to check street by street, door to door. In order to organize with civilians you would have to be able to communicate. Cell phones didn't work, civilians generally do not have police radios or even marine radios on most boats. You never know where the flood is going to be so you can't at least in the early stages setup a check point for helpers at every possible boat launch or access point. The government was not ready to lead or guide anyway, it happened to quickly. I don't blame them and I haven't heard anyone else blame LEO's either. People just got to work. No permit required.

Ok why not organize them, pair them off with First responders and the 700 radio system and work efficiently from there? Sure did work great for the 2012 Carencro flood.... The fire Dept is limited on boats so why not pair them up?


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[ckinchen]

Originally Posted by Jcredeur

Ok why not organize them, pair them off with First responders and the 700 radio system and work efficiently from there? Sure did work great for the 2012 Carencro flood.... The fire Dept is limited on boats so why not pair them up?


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The civilians outnumbered the LEO's by a wide margin. It think you guys are thinking two days later when LEO's and the government showed up in big numbers. Sure that would work once everyone gets there and it's setup. You have people launching from various access points. Let's say I wanted to help in Denham Springs. I could launch on I-12, 190, Watson, closer to walker, Port Vincent coming up 16 until I ran into the water, river road, the list goes on and on. No way to coordinate that early on, not possible. Plus what happened was perfectly fine, peoples lives were saved everyone did a good job. The best job they could do. Some of us wouldn't want to work with the government maybe some of us would rather not deal with the government that some of us do not trust anyway. I brought a full U-Haul of supplies to my community. The government wanted them in one location I brought them to the church where I knew people in my community could get the supplies. I decided to get off my a s s and do something. I don't need the government telling me how to do it.