Caught Cheating,,,spraybombed Truck

[I make oil]

Originally Posted by simplepeddler

again, I respect the heck out of you fellows for your held beleifs. We need more men like each of you.
However, and it may be that I am a little longer in the tooth than many here, and it may be that I have had to offer my share of forgiveness over time, but.........any man can become a good man............period end of story. What others "think" about that man is the shortcomings of the thinker..........not the man that has righted himself.

When you have to be forgiven and have to forgive, and each of you will, then you will see where I'm coming from.

This is a great thead by the way.............no one calling each other names (yet)........even "W" has been here without a fight..........

10 pages "W"

If I see you this weekend I'm going to buy you a drink.

[simplepeddler]

Originally Posted by I make oil

If I see you this weekend I'm going to buy you a drink.

and I will drink

[T-TOP]

Originally Posted by simplepeddler

and I will drink

I'll get you the 2nd drink!!

[duckman1911]

Originally Posted by simplepeddler

again, I respect the heck out of you fellows for your held beleifs. We need more men like each of you.
However, and it may be that I am a little longer in the tooth than many here, and it may be that I have had to offer my share of forgiveness over time, but.........any man can become a good man............period end of story. What others "think" about that man is the shortcomings of the thinker..........not the man that has righted himself.

When you have to be forgiven and have to forgive, and each of you will, then you will see where I'm coming from.

This is a great thead by the way.............no one calling each other names (yet)........even "W" has been here without a fight..........

10 pages "W"

Very well said Simple.
As for as name calling, Brandon did call us losers. Its ok though. I think he was just upset because he lost his box of crayons.

[capt coonassty]

All the more reason never to have children. Holler we want prenup!

[simplepeddler]

uh..........over 50% of the states are "no fault" states....thus negating everything you just typed by at least half.......

NO one and I mean NO person or response here ever said the system was punitive to "adulterous husbands" the fact is the system is punitive to ALL men regardless of the "reason"


You absolutely are missing the point ......Child support is based ON TIME......as a percentage of TOTAL income....there are guidelines set....the more time you have the more/less support needs to be paid.........

my Bible reads I can be forgiven.......to assume that a person cannot be healed and become a great father is against everything I beleive......same for mothers.....

If you believe the system is fair then so be it.........but I'll bet if it becomes you, your brother, your son, your dad.....you may be challenged.....

There is a better than 50% chance you children will suffer from this......don't think it cannot happen

AND there is a better than 50% chance our own dad's had thier own indiscretions......they grew up in a time where it was before woman's movements and affairs were not only accepted but encouraged to "relieve" stress......

Serial adulterers ? Who ever even brought that up?

Again, I respect your views and encourage all men to think and strongly believe like you.......but sanctamonious opinions after the deed will NEVER resolve the damages of divorce no more than putting on a condom after premarital sex.......

I wasn't born yesterday either and I have lived the expereience..........

[duckman1911]

Originally Posted by simplepeddler

uh..........over 50% of the states are "no fault" states....thus negating everything you just typed by at least half.......

NO one and I mean NO person or response here ever said the system was punitive to "adulterous husbands" the fact is the system is punitive to ALL men regardless of the "reason"


You absolutely are missing the point ......Child support is based ON TIME......as a percentage of TOTAL income....there are guidelines set....the more time you have the more/less support needs to be paid.........

my Bible reads I can be forgiven.......to assume that a person cannot be healed and become a great father is against everything I beleive......same for mothers.....

If you believe the system is fair then so be it.........but I'll bet if it becomes you, your brother, your son, your dad.....you may be challenged.....

There is a better than 50% chance you children will suffer from this......don't think it cannot happen

AND there is a better than 50% chance our own dad's had thier own indiscretions......they grew up in a time where it was before woman's movements and affairs were not only accepted but encouraged to "relieve" stress......

Serial adulterers ? Who ever even brought that up?

Again, I respect your views and encourage all men to think and strongly believe like you.......but sanctamonious opinions after the deed will NEVER resolve the damages of divorce no more than putting on a condom after premarital sex.......

I wasn't born yesterday either and I have lived the expereience..........

I like MG a lot but him and I have very different views on this. From reading his posts I think he would be in favor of going back to branding an A on the forehead of adulturers.

[simplepeddler]

I think Mathgeek is looking at this through a perfect world and that is damn admirable........he is a principled man, every post he makes screams that......

Please guys, make no mistake about it.......I wished we lived in that perfect world but we don't.

The faith I have is one that is for healing.........we will never heal from a divorce process that is manipulated by Machievellen means to favor the "victim" mentality

There can be no real success with a real chance to fail.......women, in many cases do not have a real case to fail when they divorce

[simplepeddler]

jusy because you are a bad painter does not mean you never get to live in a house

[MathGeek]

I firmly believe in equal justice under law. The language in my posts has been male in character because of a predominantly male readership. My view remains the same if you replace all the male language with the corresponding female language. Some Scriptures that speak on adultery are gender neutral like the ten commandments (Exodus 20 and Deuteronomy 5), and Jesus firm requirement that divorce only be justified by adultery (Matthew 19). Other verses have male specific language such as Leviticus 18 and Proverbs. Please read what Proverbs 6-7 has to say:

Warnings Against Adultery
20 My son, keep your father's commandment,
and forsake not your mother's teaching.
21 Bind them on your heart always;
tie them around your neck.
22 When you walk, they will lead you;
when you lie down, they will watch over you;
and when you awake, they will talk with you.
23 For the commandment is a lamp and the teaching a light,
and the reproofs of discipline are the way of life,
24 to preserve you from the evil woman,
from the smooth tongue of the adulteress.
25 Do not desire her beauty in your heart,
and do not let her capture you with her eyelashes;
26 for the prostitute reduces you to a loaf of bread,
the adulteress preys upon your very life.
27 Can a man carry fire next to his chest
and his clothes not be burned?
28 Or can one walk on hot coals
and his feet not be scorched?
29 So is he who goes in to his neighbor's wife;
none who touches her will go unpunished.
30 People do not despise a thief if he steals
to satisfy his appetite when he is hungry,
31 but if he is caught, he will pay sevenfold;
he will give all the goods of his house.
32 He who commits adultery lacks sense;
he who does it destroys himself.
33 He will get wounds and dishonor,
and his disgrace will not be wiped away.
34 For jealousy makes a man furious,
and he will not spare when he takes revenge.
35 He will accept no compensation;
he will refuse though you multiply gifts.

Warning Against the Adulteress
7 My son, keep my words
and treasure up my commandments with you;
2 keep my commandments and live;
keep my teaching as the apple of your eye;
3 bind them on your fingers;
write them on the tablet of your heart.
4 Say to wisdom, “You are my sister,”
and call insight your intimate friend,
5 to keep you from the forbidden woman,
from the adulteress with her smooth words.
6 For at the window of my house
I have looked out through my lattice,
7 and I have seen among the simple,
I have perceived among the youths,
a young man lacking sense,
8 passing along the street near her corner,
taking the road to her house
9 in the twilight, in the evening,
at the time of night and darkness.
10 And behold, the woman meets him,
dressed as a prostitute, wily of heart.
11 She is loud and wayward;
her feet do not stay at home;
12 now in the street, now in the market,
and at every corner she lies in wait.
13 She seizes him and kisses him,
and with bold face she says to him,
14 “I had to offer sacrifices,
and today I have paid my vows;
15 so now I have come out to meet you,
to seek you eagerly, and I have found you.
16 I have spread my couch with coverings,
colored linens from Egyptian linen;
17 I have perfumed my bed with myrrh,
aloes, and cinnamon.
18 Come, let us take our fill of love till morning;
let us delight ourselves with love.
19 For my husband is not at home;
he has gone on a long journey;
20 he took a bag of money with him;
at full moon he will come home.”
21 With much seductive speech she persuades him;
with her smooth talk she compels him.
22 All at once he follows her,
as an ox goes to the slaughter,
or as a stag is caught fast
23 till an arrow pierces its liver;
as a bird rushes into a snare;
he does not know that it will cost him his life.
24 And now, O sons, listen to me,
and be attentive to the words of my mouth.
25 Let not your heart turn aside to her ways;
do not stray into her paths,
26 for many a victim has she laid low,
and all her slain are a mighty throng.
27 Her house is the way to Sheol,
going down to the chambers of death.

[simplepeddler]

Originally Posted by MathGeek

I firmly believe in equal justice under law. The language in my posts has been male in character because of a predominantly male readership. My view remains the same if you replace all the male language with the corresponding female language. Some Scriptures that speak on adultery are gender neutral like the ten commandments (Exodus 20 and Deuteronomy 5), and Jesus firm requirement that divorce only be justified by adultery (Matthew 19). Other verses have male specific language such as Leviticus 18 and Proverbs. Please read what Proverbs 6-7 has to say:

Warnings Against Adultery
20 My son, keep your father's commandment,
and forsake not your mother's teaching.
21 Bind them on your heart always;
tie them around your neck.
22 When you walk, they will lead you;
when you lie down, they will watch over you;
and when you awake, they will talk with you.
23 For the commandment is a lamp and the teaching a light,
and the reproofs of discipline are the way of life,
24 to preserve you from the evil woman,
from the smooth tongue of the adulteress.
25 Do not desire her beauty in your heart,
and do not let her capture you with her eyelashes;
26 for the prostitute reduces you to a loaf of bread,
the adulteress preys upon your very life.
27 Can a man carry fire next to his chest
and his clothes not be burned?
28 Or can one walk on hot coals
and his feet not be scorched?
29 So is he who goes in to his neighbor's wife;
none who touches her will go unpunished.
30 People do not despise a thief if he steals
to satisfy his appetite when he is hungry,
31 but if he is caught, he will pay sevenfold;
he will give all the goods of his house.
32 He who commits adultery lacks sense;
he who does it destroys himself.
33 He will get wounds and dishonor,
and his disgrace will not be wiped away.
34 For jealousy makes a man furious,
and he will not spare when he takes revenge.
35 He will accept no compensation;
he will refuse though you multiply gifts.

Warning Against the Adulteress
7 My son, keep my words
and treasure up my commandments with you;
2 keep my commandments and live;
keep my teaching as the apple of your eye;
3 bind them on your fingers;
write them on the tablet of your heart.
4 Say to wisdom, “You are my sister,”
and call insight your intimate friend,
5 to keep you from the forbidden woman,
from the adulteress with her smooth words.
6 For at the window of my house
I have looked out through my lattice,
7 and I have seen among the simple,
I have perceived among the youths,
a young man lacking sense,
8 passing along the street near her corner,
taking the road to her house
9 in the twilight, in the evening,
at the time of night and darkness.
10 And behold, the woman meets him,
dressed as a prostitute, wily of heart.
11 She is loud and wayward;
her feet do not stay at home;
12 now in the street, now in the market,
and at every corner she lies in wait.
13 She seizes him and kisses him,
and with bold face she says to him,
14 “I had to offer sacrifices,
and today I have paid my vows;
15 so now I have come out to meet you,
to seek you eagerly, and I have found you.
16 I have spread my couch with coverings,
colored linens from Egyptian linen;
17 I have perfumed my bed with myrrh,
aloes, and cinnamon.
18 Come, let us take our fill of love till morning;
let us delight ourselves with love.
19 For my husband is not at home;
he has gone on a long journey;
20 he took a bag of money with him;
at full moon he will come home.”
21 With much seductive speech she persuades him;
with her smooth talk she compels him.
22 All at once he follows her,
as an ox goes to the slaughter,
or as a stag is caught fast
23 till an arrow pierces its liver;
as a bird rushes into a snare;
he does not know that it will cost him his life.
24 And now, O sons, listen to me,
and be attentive to the words of my mouth.
25 Let not your heart turn aside to her ways;
do not stray into her paths,
26 for many a victim has she laid low,
and all her slain are a mighty throng.
27 Her house is the way to Sheol,
going down to the chambers of death.

I knew we would get here sooner or later.........

Choke on the Bible lately?
Understand I am a God Fearing man.

But your case of cut and paste or pain staking typing, would lead us to gouging eyes out, sacraficing a lamb or two, maybe even a child......and men would be building their man caves on top of thier houses.

Do we work for churches and religion that will not accept the man with tattoos everywhere? Maybe the single mom with two children out of wedlock?
The murderer? The rapist? The liar? The cheat? The greedy?

We work for a God that forgives, heals, accepts and loves regardless of the circumstances.

Did He not heal the leper? Did He not show mercy to the adultress? Did He not make a desciple of a man who killed christians?

God himself said David was a man after His own heart? Was David not as well an adulterer and murderer?

The bible is the word. I truly believe that...........yet it is not our law.

It is not the judgement, only God is. It is man that uses the Bible preversly to perpetuate his judgement.

My sins and that of everyman, was known before we were born.......God has mercy on us.......

Have you known someone that has lost a child?
Do you know that 70% of those couples will fall into adultery and divorce?
Is that not a circumstance we, as a people can forgive and understand?

There are many that believe my Grandmothers are not in Heaven because they where Catholic.......really? If that is the case, then I do not want to go there.

Are those the same that will not allow a human an indiscrestion?
Jesus did.........why can't we?

Do many not wear the cheesy *** bracelts WWJD?

This thread has taken a turn that was oh so predictable..........

I will stand before any man for what I believe.......and I will stand FOR any man that wants to be in his childs life.

Sin is sin..........hide any money away from your spouse for that new reel?
Tell a tale about the size of a fish? (liars will not inherit the kingdom)
Keep two seperate accounts so you have yours and she has hers?

Take and extra 15 minutes on your lunch?

The law and equal justice have VERY little in common.

What is equal to you is not equal to me.
Laws are meant to change.

What is so much a misunderstanding, is marraige is a choice of FREE will.

Just because you and another choose to get married does not mean in any way God has joined the two of you.

God could very really be thinking "What the heck are they doing"

Adultery is A reason to get divorced.........not THE reason.

It is only a tool in our civil system to beat men down.

You are believing in some very narrow hash marks.

I know this is a group of good men, there are just too many cases to prove that.........


Good men make bad choices

[duckman1911]

Originally Posted by MathGeek

I firmly believe in equal justice under law. The language in my posts has been male in character because of a predominantly male readership. My view remains the same if you replace all the male language with the corresponding female language. Some Scriptures that speak on adultery are gender neutral like the ten commandments (Exodus 20 and Deuteronomy 5), and Jesus firm requirement that divorce only be justified by adultery (Matthew 19). Other verses have male specific language such as Leviticus 18 and Proverbs. Please read what Proverbs 6-7 has to say:

Warnings Against Adultery
20 My son, keep your father's commandment,
and forsake not your mother's teaching.
21 Bind them on your heart always;
tie them around your neck.
22 When you walk, they will lead you;
when you lie down, they will watch over you;
and when you awake, they will talk with you.
23 For the commandment is a lamp and the teaching a light,
and the reproofs of discipline are the way of life,
24 to preserve you from the evil woman,
from the smooth tongue of the adulteress.
25 Do not desire her beauty in your heart,
and do not let her capture you with her eyelashes;
26 for the prostitute reduces you to a loaf of bread,
the adulteress preys upon your very life.
27 Can a man carry fire next to his chest
and his clothes not be burned?
28 Or can one walk on hot coals
and his feet not be scorched?
29 So is he who goes in to his neighbor's wife;
none who touches her will go unpunished.
30 People do not despise a thief if he steals
to satisfy his appetite when he is hungry,
31 but if he is caught, he will pay sevenfold;
he will give all the goods of his house.
32 He who commits adultery lacks sense;
he who does it destroys himself.
33 He will get wounds and dishonor,
and his disgrace will not be wiped away.
34 For jealousy makes a man furious,
and he will not spare when he takes revenge.
35 He will accept no compensation;
he will refuse though you multiply gifts.

Warning Against the Adulteress
7 My son, keep my words
and treasure up my commandments with you;
2 keep my commandments and live;
keep my teaching as the apple of your eye;
3 bind them on your fingers;
write them on the tablet of your heart.
4 Say to wisdom, “You are my sister,”
and call insight your intimate friend,
5 to keep you from the forbidden woman,
from the adulteress with her smooth words.
6 For at the window of my house
I have looked out through my lattice,
7 and I have seen among the simple,
I have perceived among the youths,
a young man lacking sense,
8 passing along the street near her corner,
taking the road to her house
9 in the twilight, in the evening,
at the time of night and darkness.
10 And behold, the woman meets him,
dressed as a prostitute, wily of heart.
11 She is loud and wayward;
her feet do not stay at home;
12 now in the street, now in the market,
and at every corner she lies in wait.
13 She seizes him and kisses him,
and with bold face she says to him,
14 “I had to offer sacrifices,
and today I have paid my vows;
15 so now I have come out to meet you,
to seek you eagerly, and I have found you.
16 I have spread my couch with coverings,
colored linens from Egyptian linen;
17 I have perfumed my bed with myrrh,
aloes, and cinnamon.
18 Come, let us take our fill of love till morning;
let us delight ourselves with love.
19 For my husband is not at home;
he has gone on a long journey;
20 he took a bag of money with him;
at full moon he will come home.”
21 With much seductive speech she persuades him;
with her smooth talk she compels him.
22 All at once he follows her,
as an ox goes to the slaughter,
or as a stag is caught fast
23 till an arrow pierces its liver;
as a bird rushes into a snare;
he does not know that it will cost him his life.
24 And now, O sons, listen to me,
and be attentive to the words of my mouth.
25 Let not your heart turn aside to her ways;
do not stray into her paths,
26 for many a victim has she laid low,
and all her slain are a mighty throng.
27 Her house is the way to Sheol,
going down to the chambers of death.

Let he who Is without sin cast the first stone.

[MathGeek]

Originally Posted by duckman1911

Let he who Is without sin cast the first stone.

Warning about adultery isn't judging or casting stones. It's like warning about gravity. If you jump off a building, it's gonna hurt. If you commit adultery it's gonna cause tremendous grief.

The fact that adultery leads to weeping and gnashing of teeth is etched into the fabric of creation, just as sure as jumping off a building leads to an impact with the ground with a velocity equal to sqrt(2 g h).

Adultery creates earthquakes in dimensions of creation that we do not see or understand and hardly even believe in. Right or wrong, those earthquakes caused one lady to redecorate her husband's truck. Right or wrong, those earthquakes bring about the consequences warned of in Proverbs as well.

Is it casting stones to warn youths not to play Russian Roulette? Adultery is Russian Roulette with all the chambers loaded.

[duckman1911]

Originally Posted by MathGeek

Warning about adultery isn't judging or casting stones. It's like warning about gravity. If you jump off a building, it's gonna hurt. If you commit adultery it's gonna cause tremendous grief.

The fact that adultery leads to weeping and gnashing of teeth is etched into the fabric of creation, just as sure as jumping off a building leads to an impact with the ground with a velocity equal to sqrt(2 g h).

Adultery creates earthquakes in dimensions of creation that we do not see or understand and hardly even believe in. Right or wrong, those earthquakes caused one lady to redecorate her husband's truck. Right or wrong, those earthquakes bring about the consequences warned of in Proverbs as well.

Is it casting stones to warn youths not to play Russian Roulette? Adultery is Russian Roulette with all the chambers loaded.

Good point.

[simplepeddler]

Originally Posted by MathGeek

Warning about adultery isn't judging or casting stones. It's like warning about gravity. If you jump off a building, it's gonna hurt. If you commit adultery it's gonna cause tremendous grief.

The fact that adultery leads to weeping and gnashing of teeth is etched into the fabric of creation, just as sure as jumping off a building leads to an impact with the ground with a velocity equal to sqrt(2 g h).

Adultery creates earthquakes in dimensions of creation that we do not see or understand and hardly even believe in. Right or wrong, those earthquakes caused one lady to redecorate her husband's truck. Right or wrong, those earthquakes bring about the consequences warned of in Proverbs as well.

Is it casting stones to warn youths not to play Russian Roulette? Adultery is Russian Roulette with all the chambers loaded.

So true..........but you are talking principalities..........not many people subscribe to that these days.............

[MathGeek]

Since 1997, Louisiana has had a special version of marriage called Covenant Marriage. The intend and impact of Louisiana Covenant Marriages is that separations and divorces are harder to get. The legal requirements are found here:

http://www.ag.state.la.us/Shared/Vie...Type=3&Doc=206

A traditional marriage can be transformed in to a Covenant Marriage with some pre-contract counseling (faith based or secular counselors of your choice) and some paperwork representing a deeper commitment and promising to take certain steps to keep a marriage together before turning to separation or divorce.

Funny thing is, even through many men complain that it is too easy for wives to separate and divorce and rake them over the coals, less than 1% of men getting married since 1997 have opted for covenant marriage, and far fewer still have opted to have their existing marriages transformed into covenant marriages. It seems like many men are OK with being hitched, just not too tightly. Men concerned with divorce and separation being taken too lightly should consider Louisiana Covenant Marriage.

[simplepeddler]

Originally Posted by MathGeek

Since 1997, Louisiana has had a special version of marriage called Covenant Marriage. The intend and impact of Louisiana Covenant Marriages is that separations and divorces are harder to get. The legal requirements are found here:

http://www.ag.state.la.us/Shared/Vie...Type=3&Doc=206

A traditional marriage can be transformed in to a Covenant Marriage with some pre-contract counseling (faith based or secular counselors of your choice) and some paperwork representing a deeper commitment and promising to take certain steps to keep a marriage together before turning to separation or divorce.

Funny thing is, even through many men complain that it is too easy for wives to separate and divorce and rake them over the coals, less than 1% of men getting married since 1997 have opted for covenant marriage, and far fewer still have opted to have their existing marriages transformed into covenant marriages. It seems like many men are OK with being hitched, just not too tightly. Men concerned with divorce and separation being taken too lightly should consider Louisiana Covenant Marriage.

There are what I think four states now offering that......

Covenant marriage is for woman what woman see in prenuptuals..

It's gamesmanship on both ends.......I am not positive but covenant marraiges usually have an "adultery" clause......basically making it as easy to divorce as conventional marraige in the case of adultery......

We have a friend going through a covenant marraige divorce now........it's interesting that this we each partner's third marriage, they thought the covenant marraige would just make all their disfunction go away......no dice

People cannot give you what they do not have to give

[MathGeek]

Originally Posted by simplepeddler

There are what I think four states now offering that......

Covenant marriage is for woman what woman see in prenuptuals..

It's gamesmanship on both ends.......I am not positive but covenant marraiges usually have an "adultery" clause......basically making it as easy to divorce as conventional marraige in the case of adultery......

The pre-marital and pre-divorce counseling are required even in the case of adultery. Word is that many courts are also honoring the longer time limits prescribed in the law in hopes of giving the counseling a time to have its effect, even if there are claims of adultery. In other words, they don't really give a hearing to the claims of adultery. They say, "Go get your marriage counseling and come beck in two years if it doesn't work out."

I would bet that by a time some fellow is crashing on his third marriage, the issue is most likely a deeply ingrained character flaw rather than women being overly tempted to bail out because the courts are going to treat her favorably. After all, already paying on two failed marriages, how much blood does the turnip have left? I don't think there's much society or divorce policy can do to slow down serial divorcers.

[T-TOP]

Never heard of it....


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[fishfighter]

simplepeddler wins, he just LAYETH THE SMACKETH DOWN....ETH


this thread is classic, and that woman sure did a number on ole boys truck