Boycott the S.T.A.R.: CCA Failed to protect Oysters in Big Lake

[Feesherman]

Originally Posted by Duck Butter

When did CCA become LDWF? I didn't realize that CCA had the power to change limits

Well then ur head is in the sand ol boy!

[meaux fishing]

Originally Posted by Duck Butter

When did CCA become LDWF? I didn't realize that CCA had the power to change limits

Since most, if not all, of the LWC members are also members of CCA then they kind of do

["W"]

Raymond last activity was 4-11-14 he has logged out!!

But he does post on 2cool all the time

[KDM]

W, very proud of you taking the time to contact CCA and talk with David. What did he tell you???

[biggun]

I have A SIMPLE QUESTION FOR ALL U ARM-CHAIR QB's....

Tell Me HOW CCA's Is to BLAME for:

1. The WEIRS Closing & Opening??

2. The Legislation that UR Representative from Jennings CAVED ON about the Use of Oyster Dredges in the Lake and WEST COVE??

3. The Land Eroison along the Ship Channel??? Who is in Control of the maintenance and WHAT HAPPENS Along Said Channel ????

Please Just Answer the 3 questions... And PLEASE Stick to Answering the Questions..

PS.. If any haters on here Think for ONE MOMENT MYSELF OR Raymond ARE Yes Men or paid in any way by CCA.. They are SADDLY Mistaken... MISGUIDED AN SADDLY Mistaken.. I'm a Volunteer Only.. Like everyone else that volunteers..

I'm only PAID by one of the Largest Oil company's in the World TO Keep People LIKE U ALL Safe and going home to UR family's every night.. FOR all U guys that work in Plants in the Lake Chuck area..

I'm Passionate about my JOB..

[MathGeek]

Originally Posted by biggun

Tell Me HOW CCA's Is to BLAME for:

1. The WEIRS Closing & Opening??

What have they done to help ensure data driven openings and closings in accordance with the management plan?

Isn't this issue at least as important (since it has a bigger impact on the ecosystem) as pushing for a reduced limit on specks?

Isn't failing to act also a decision? They decided the speck limit was more important.

Originally Posted by biggun

2. The Legislation that UR Representative from Jennings CAVED ON about the Use of Oyster Dredges in the Lake and WEST COVE??

This happened about the same time as the speck limit was reduced from 25 to 15. Clearly CCA through the speck limit was more important, because they focused on restricting limits of recreational anglers and ignored the more important issue of conserving essential habitat.

Originally Posted by biggun

3. CCA involvement in the Land Eroison along the Ship Channel??? Who is in Control of the maintenance and WHAT HAPPENS Along Said Channel ????

Again, it has been a failure to act. Are you saying that the biggest conservation association in the state has no responsibility to act, but should not be bothered when ecological disasters of this scale are occuring?

That they should spend their time and efforts pushing for tripletail limits instead?

It's not that CCA is completely responsible for any public policy or negative outcome. But these issues reveal that CCA's priorities are misplaced.

Originally Posted by biggun

PS.. If any haters on here Think for ONE MOMENT MYSELF OR Raymond ARE Yes Men or paid in any way by CCA.. They are SADDLY Mistaken... MISGUIDED AN SADDLY Mistaken.. I'm a Volunteer Only.. Like everyone else that volunteers..

Well, there are a dozen Texans making six figure salaries.

Originally Posted by biggun

I'd like to see someone use Waltrip or W; an dog a group.. LETS Say, A onetime reader gets on here to find a guide.. An See's Waltrip or W Posting on SC, dogging on ANY GROUP..

In the end, capitalism works. W will succeed in his guide business because he knows the lake, he puts clients on fish, and he teaches his clients a lot in the process.

Originally Posted by biggun

Again I asked 3 Fla to simple State the Organization Name HE CLAIMS TO REPRESENT ..

All he says He can't REVEAL ANYTHING... That's BS.. This Has nothing to do with CCA.. The GUY IS BLOWING SMOKE UP EVERYONES AZZs'..

Maybe. Time will tell. Lots of groups with public plans have non-disclosures in place to keep certain details private until an agreed upon time.

[Feesherman]

Originally Posted by biggun

I have A SIMPLE QUESTION FOR ALL U ARM-CHAIR QB's....

Tell Me HOW CCA's Is to BLAME for:

1. The WEIRS Closing & Opening??

2. The Legislation that UR Representative from Jennings CAVED ON about the Use of Oyster Dredges in the Lake and WEST COVE??

3. The Land Eroison along the Ship Channel??? Who is in Control of the maintenance and WHAT HAPPENS Along Said Channel ????

Please Just Answer the 3 questions... And PLEASE Stick to Answering the Questions..

PS.. If any haters on here Think for ONE MOMENT MYSELF OR Raymond ARE Yes Men or paid in any way by CCA.. They are SADDLY Mistaken... MISGUIDED AN SADDLY Mistaken.. I'm a Volunteer Only.. Like everyone else that volunteers..

I'm only PAID by one of the Largest Oil company's in the World TO Keep People LIKE U ALL Safe and going home to UR family's every night.. FOR all U guys that work in Plants in the Lake Chuck area..

I'm Passionate about my JOB..

I have 3 questions also:

#1 Why did CCA push for a reduction in the trout limit on big lake when Biologists said it wasn't warranted?

#2 Why is CCA pushing for a limit on triple tail with ZERO scientific data to back such?

#3 Why is CCA pushing for an increase in salt water license fees?

#4 On what grounds was CCA pushing for a ban on bow fishing for?

#5 Where was CCA when us recreational guys were getting the shaft on the red snapper season?

I realize this is more than 3 questions so feel free to pick out the three u would like to answer.

[Ratdog]

What have they done for me lately?

It seems they are getting more rules passed quietly so as to benefit LWF ability to collect fines .

And to me it seems we got enough rules that are laws that they can collect on.

Soon the famed speckled red tail will be on the endangered list so no one can take a leek in a portalet.

This **** is out of hand and they the CCA need to protect the privet angler as natural conditions prohibit the enjoyment of fishing.

Do something that supports the angler instead of the speckled red tail.


All in favor of the angler say I

[biggun]

I don't see anyone on SC Slamming the US Fish and Wildlife Serv... THEY CONTROL THE WEIRs.. THE FEDERAL GOV...

I Don't see anyone on here Protesting and Boycotting the Lake Chuck Port Commission.. If I'm not Mistaken; They Control the Channel... Plus the Army Corp of Eng. Again the Fed.'s

CCA Is in the Business Granting of State Water Bottoms for Oyster Leases NOW??? Come ONNNNN....

HOW come U All are not Protecting or boycotting the WL&F office on the Lake.. They control the state oyster leases..

Why not get everyone NOT TO Purchase a fishing license???

Stop Blaming CCA FOR EVERTHING... Call a meeting, call UR area legislatrative reps., Call Port Commission members, Ask CCA leadership to Attend..,.Ask Questions of ALL Officials. Voice Concerns...

MathGeek.. Bring UR graphs.. Share with a WLF Fisheries Biologist .. I for ONE, find them compelling....

GET OFF UR AZZ's and DO SOMETHING CONSTRUCTIVE ABOUT UR CONCERNS....

[Smalls]

Originally Posted by biggun

I don't see anyone on SC Slamming the US Fish and Wildlife Serv... THEY CONTROL THE WEIRs.. THE FEDERAL GOV....

I see you don't read, because this has been refuted numerous times.

So, you're wrong. And there has been plenty of slamming of the operation of the weirs, but no one knew who was operating them.

[Spunt Drag]

Originally Posted by biggun

I don't see anyone on SC Slamming the US Fish and Wildlife Serv... THEY CONTROL THE WEIRs.. THE FEDERAL GOV...

I Don't see anyone on here Protesting and Boycotting the Lake Chuck Port Commission.. If I'm not Mistaken; They Control the Channel... Plus the Army Corp of Eng. Again the Fed.'s

CCA Is in the Business Granting of State Water Bottoms for Oyster Leases NOW??? Come ONNNNN....

HOW come U All are not Protecting or boycotting the WL&F office on the Lake.. They control the state oyster leases..

Why not get everyone NOT TO Purchase a fishing license???

Stop Blaming CCA FOR EVERTHING... Call a meeting, call UR area legislatrative reps., Call Port Commission members, Ask CCA leadership to Attend..,.Ask Questions of ALL Officials. Voice Concerns...

MathGeek.. Bring UR graphs.. Share with a WLF Fisheries Biologist .. I for ONE, find them compelling....

GET OFF UR AZZ's and DO SOMETHING CONSTRUCTIVE ABOUT UR CONCERNS....

Aren't they all the same entity? They all seem to rub elbows pretty regularly.

[Feesherman]

Originally Posted by biggun

I don't see anyone on SC Slamming the US Fish and Wildlife Serv... THEY CONTROL THE WEIRs.. THE FEDERAL GOV...

I Don't see anyone on here Protesting and Boycotting the Lake Chuck Port Commission.. If I'm not Mistaken; They Control the Channel... Plus the Army Corp of Eng. Again the Fed.'s

CCA Is in the Business Granting of State Water Bottoms for Oyster Leases NOW??? Come ONNNNN....

HOW come U All are not Protecting or boycotting the WL&F office on the Lake.. They control the state oyster leases..

Why not get everyone NOT TO Purchase a fishing license???

Stop Blaming CCA FOR EVERTHING... Call a meeting, call UR area legislatrative reps., Call Port Commission members, Ask CCA leadership to Attend..,.Ask Questions of ALL Officials. Voice Concerns...

MathGeek.. Bring UR graphs.. Share with a WLF Fisheries Biologist .. I for ONE, find them compelling....

GET OFF UR AZZ's and DO SOMETHING CONSTRUCTIVE ABOUT UR CONCERNS....

Nice rant but U forgot to address any of the questions I asked

[BuckingFastard]

CCA should be for our best interest and thats what this is all about you tool. they are supposed to be our voice.

itd be like the nra being in support of bans on guns or magazines.

they are our voice in many matters.

[3FLa]

(1) We plan on spending a significant sum of money on making the sponsors of the STAR realize what they think CCA is doing is not exactly what is being done.

For example, once the license increase takes effect, we have secured media reps to prepare a full page ad in every magazine and newspaper that circulates south of Interstate 10. The page will reflect the names of every sponsor to the STAR and inform every read that the mentioned names are in part responsible for the increase in YOUR cost to fish in this State. We will also make a humble request that all readers cease business with these entities.

We have cleared this with legal, so this is a go. If approved, the law will go in effect on August 15, 2014 and the ad will appear on the following weeks/months publications.

(2) Many of you raised the fact that CCA is a political organization. In fact, we have evidence, testimony and recordation of CCA staff and directors stating such.

We are compiling such evidence to present to the IRS since a 501(C) corp. cannot be political in nature.

[MathGeek]

Originally Posted by 3FLa

(1) We plan on spending a significant sum of money on making the sponsors of the STAR realize what they think CCA is doing is not exactly what is being done.

For example, once the license increase takes effect, we have secured media reps to prepare a full page ad in every magazine and newspaper that circulates south of Interstate 10. The page will reflect the names of every sponsor to the STAR and inform every read that the mentioned names are in part responsible for the increase in YOUR cost to fish in this State. We will also make a humble request that all readers cease business with these entities.

We have cleared this with legal, so this is a go. If approved, the law will go in effect on August 15, 2014 and the ad will appear on the following weeks/months publications.

(2) Many of you raised the fact that CCA is a political organization. In fact, we have evidence, testimony and recordation of CCA staff and directors stating such.

We are compiling such evidence to present to the IRS since a 501(C) corp. cannot be political in nature.

Interesting. I've been thinking of writing all the S.T.A.R. weigh stations in the off season to let them know how CCA has been misusing resources in the name of conservation and ask them to join the boycott. It seems to me more reasonable to give them an opportunity to make an informed decision regarding whether to step back from supporting CCA before trying to harm their businesses.

I've met a number of the owners of business who have S.T.A.R. weigh stations. I have not had ample opportunity to discuss these issues with them, yet. These are good people and good, honest businessmen and women. Like many sportsmen, I think they have been duped by the idea that a group with "Conservation" in the name must be doing good. I'd be slow and grant them opportunity to consider all the facts for a period of time before attempting to impact their income.

[marshrunner757]

3FLa, I'm behind your group 100%. However, MG has a very valid point. These sponsors have been lied to just like the rest of us. I personally know a couple of them and believe given the chance would drop STAR and join forces with Galaxy.

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[3FLa]

You both make good points, which that I will pass along. However, at a minimum, a personal and informative letter to these sponsors may solve the problem. Thereafter, if they choose to continue their sponsorships, then a full blown media press may be in order.

Thanks, it is certainly something to consider.

[marshrunner757]

Originally Posted by 3FLa

You both make good points, which that I will pass along. However, at a minimum, a personal and informative letter to these sponsors may solve the problem. Thereafter, if they choose to continue their sponsorships, then a full blown media press may be in order.

Thanks, it is certainly something to consider.

This I believe would be the best action. At least they would have necessary information to make a decision. After that it should be fair game!

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[bmac]

Is there any legal precedent to the rule that says participants cannot be entered in STAR/CCA and also win a prize in the Galaxy tourney? I am trying to think of a similar situation but I'm drawing a blank.

I wonder if it could be seen as discriminatory in some manner. Of course membership in CCA/STAR is not a protected freedom, so perhaps no discrimination could occur by definition. However afaik political affiliation is not a protected freedom either, so are there any contests that restrict winners to one party?

[MathGeek]

Originally Posted by bmac

Is there any legal precedent to the rule that says participants cannot be entered in STAR/CCA and also win a prize in the Galaxy tourney? I am trying to think of a similar situation but I'm drawing a blank.

I wonder if it could be seen as discriminatory in some manner. Of course membership in CCA/STAR is not a protected freedom, so perhaps no discrimination could occur by definition. However afaik political affiliation is not a protected freedom either, so are there any contests that restrict winners to one party?

I'd follow the lead of the gun groups and other conservation groups and not try and force allegiance. I was once a member of NRA, GOA, JFPO, and a state group or two at the same time. A group should compete on its merits, not on schemes to strong arm allegiance. Treat your members well, and in the long run, you'll be the NRA of coastal conservation.

Business arrangements may be different, of course, you might need to give more thought into whether businesses that serve as official S.T.A.R. weigh stations can serve as official Galaxy stations also.

You may also take an approach more like LOWA does with LA state fishing records, or you can base the contest on length where contestants photograph the fish with a suitable length scale. This would allow catch and release entrants as well as a length based bull redfish contest. (Though I would hate to see the contest require release.) Biggest bull reds would be a much more interesting content than chasing tagged reds which has a strong "lottery" like component, but who says you can't do both?