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Old 03-11-2010, 11:00 PM
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yea, Im not hugely familiar with new orleans, but I know puglias sells guns, never been in there but from their sale ads seems that they have a good selection.
Yeh same here!
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Old 03-17-2010, 06:59 PM
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The Browning X-Bolt is a nice rifle and is getting really good reviews. They tend to shoot exceptionally well. They are light and have a very nice recoil pad on them. I like the synthetic/stainless version.

The folks that have recommended the Tikka rifles have not steered you wrong. There is simply not a better bargain out there for a rifle that is guaranteed to shoot less than an inch right out of the box. Most of them actually shoot much better than one inch; they are simply amazing for the money.

The Sako A7 guarantees a five shot one inch group out of the box too. They are a little nicer than the Tikkas and resale will probably be a little higher. They are running just over $500 on Gunbroker.com.

I have been a Remington man all my life, but right now I truly think they are having trouble competing.

The Ruger Hawkeye is also a really nice rifle.
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Old 03-17-2010, 11:03 PM
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Heres the article. Only thing I see is that he should've maybe tried alternate brands. he did try several different grain rounds but all hornady. but still all in all browning should have at least looked into the issue. Cuz they lost a customer and that customer has put his experience out there and Im sure have affected the purchasing patterns of many more potential customers.

Oh and the people at browning told him they only guarantee their rifle to 2MOA at 100 yds.

Heres the article: http://www.nodakoutdoors.com/forums/...hp?f=8&t=69585
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I have the Browning A-Bolt in 7mm rem mag with the B.O.S.S which allows you to tune your rifle to the round you chose to use. Its black/synthetic topped with a Swarovski 5-30 x 50. Very clean rifle. Lightwweight and deadly accurate. Most Brownings come with adjustable triggers, which is nice. With a little bedding work and blue printing, Ive got this rifle at 1.25'' at 500 meters with hand loads. The only complaint is the muzzle pressure tends to turn people off at the range. It can be bad at times. Most def should have ear plugs at the range.
It's a great rifle.
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Old 03-18-2010, 07:37 AM
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I have the Browning A-Bolt in 7mm rem mag with the B.O.S.S which allows you to tune your rifle to the round you chose to use. Its black/synthetic topped with a Swarovski 5-30 x 50. Very clean rifle. Lightwweight and deadly accurate. Most Brownings come with adjustable triggers, which is nice. With a little bedding work and blue printing, Ive got this rifle at 1.25'' at 500 meters with hand loads. The only complaint is the muzzle pressure tends to turn people off at the range. It can be bad at times. Most def should have ear plugs at the range.
It's a great rifle.
Ok hold up, are you saying that you have a hunting rifle(normal barrel) thats holding a 1.25" group at 500 yards or holding 1.25 MOA at 500. If you talking about 1.25" group at 500, I'd have to see that for myself cuz theres no way I believe that. thats .25MOA. Most sniper rifles wont hold that unless they've got that same work done to them and usually more. If you talking 1.25MOA then yea thats possible.

I just cant see that kind of accuracy coming from a non-heavy barrel, hunting rifle. I mean your putting a hunting rifle against guns that people pay $4000 for and getting the same results. I find that very hard to believe
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Old 03-18-2010, 09:03 AM
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I find that very hard to believe
I get this alot. Its a fairly common practice. You dont have to pay 4k to get that MOA at 500 meters. Although it helps the mid level shooter to achieve this, its not necessary. I shot long guns for a living. A little work on a rifle, 500 bucks or so, consistent hand loads, breath control and trigger discipline, and of course, elevation, temperature, wind direction, go along way. Each shot let your barrel cool for a few minutes, use a bi-pod or bench rest, a little dope on your scope and there you have it. Usually before I've fired 20 rounds I can get this grouping. Not everyone can do it. Your right, your average white tail rifle factory trimmed doesnt stand a chance in hell, but with the above factors in play its absolutely possible and happens regularly.
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I tuned my barrel which involves trying varying amounts of pressure against it at different points. Aka, shimming. I had it bluprinted, making all the parts that make up the action square and true to the bore. Had the trigger lightened up. You can get a factory Browning down to 18 ounces safley. A little experimenting with rounds and grains that work best. That's about it. It's not impossible.

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Most sniper rifles wont hold that unless they've got that same work done to them and usually more
Milatary grade sniper rifles have a little more work done to them. All of the above plus cryo treatments to the barrels and hand lapping them also. A good sniper can make shot groups at 1150 meters that can be covered with your hand. Ive seen this first hand.
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Old 03-18-2010, 09:17 AM
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I get this alot. Its a fairly common practice. You dont have to pay 4k to get that MOA at 500 meters. Although it helps the mid level shooter to achieve this, its not necessary. I shot long guns for a living. A little work on a rifle, 500 bucks or so, consistent hand loads, breath control and trigger discipline, and of course, elevation, temperature, wind direction, go along way. Each shot let your barrel cool for a few minutes, use a bi-pod or bench rest, a little dope on your scope and there you have it. Usually before I've fired 20 rounds I can get this grouping. Not everyone can do it. Your right, your average white tail rifle factory trimmed doesnt stand a chance in hell, but with the above factors in play its absolutely possible and happens regularly.
Heres my set up:
I tuned my barrel which involves trying varying amounts of pressure against it at different points. Aka, shimming. I had it bluprinted, making all the parts that make up the action square and true to the bore. Had the trigger lightened up. You can get a factory Browning down to 18 ounces safley. A little experimenting with rounds and grains that work best. That's about it. It's not impossible.



Milatary grade sniper rifles have a little more work done to them. All of the above plus cryo treatments to the barrels and hand lapping them also. A good sniper can make shot groups at 1150 meters that can be covered with your hand. Ive seen this first hand.
thats news to me. I know the good rifles you talking about with the hand covering, but I've never heard of hunting rifles shooting how yours is. but hey Im still young and havent learned everything and still very new to LR shooting
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