W. I found your Texans

[longcast]

Hahahaha.

[Montauk17]

Bringing back old times....don't forget salty,W is the jackazz of all trades

[evis102]

You do not see trout with birth defects because they get eaten very early in life, more than likely by there siblings. To say say fish do not directly inherit genes from there parents is(I'm at a loss for words here) were else are they going to get them? Does every fish in the sea look alike? Ofcourse not. Why, because of natural selection and evolution. Good traits are passed on, bad traits die out. From this new species develop.

W. Even in the worst habitat some trout will grow bigger than the rest and pass there traits on. The better the gene pool the more trophys there will be. The more trophys you release the more they will spawn the better your gene pool will be.

[yak'em-n-stack'em]

Originally Posted by evis102

You do not see trout with birth defects because they get eaten very early in life, more than likely by there siblings. To say say fish do not directly inherit genes from there parents is(I'm at a loss for words here) were else are they going to get them? Does every fish in the sea look alike? Ofcourse not. Why, because of natural selection and evolution. Good traits are passed on, bad traits die out. From this new species develop.

W. Even in the worst habitat some trout will grow bigger than the rest and pass there traits on. The better the gene pool the more trophys there will be. The more trophys you release the more they will spawn the better your gene pool will be.

i lost it when he said fish dont inherit genes, hahahahahahahaha

you proved your lack of knowledge about life in general

["W"]

Ok. Evis!!! If your mom has twins,,,, you and your bother will look the same!!! Genes!

When a trout has 200000 eggs will they all have the same spot pattern?

No!!!! I spoke with Jody that did the LSU study here on Big Lake! We discussed this numerous times! The early male trout gets the eggs! Not the most dominate, biggest,oldest, fasted,has the most teeth..... Just the 1st one to fertilize the eggs! So if a 12inch male fertilize 5000 10inch females eggs...you have 5000 chances for one of those eggs to become a trophy trout!

[Salty]

Originally Posted by "W"

Ok. Evis!!! If your mom has twins,,,, you and your bother will look the same!!! Genes!

When a trout has 200000 eggs will they all have the same spot pattern?

No!!!! I spoke with Jody that did the LSU study here on Big Lake! We discussed this numerous times! The early male trout gets the eggs! Not the most dominate, biggest,oldest, fasted,has the most teeth..... Just the 1st one to fertilize the eggs! So if a 12inch male fertilize 5000 10inch females eggs...you have 5000 chances for one of those eggs to become a trophy trout!

Not necessarily.

[yak'em-n-stack'em]

we arent talking about paternal genes (paternal means father w),

we are talking about maternal genes.

[yak'em-n-stack'em]

that means mother w

[Salty]

Originally Posted by yak'em-n-stack'em

that means mother w

[Capt.B]

I will say this....12" males don't usually run with 8lb sows it's usually 5lb males. 12"ers are quick to become meals!! jus sayn.......

[southern151]

So, if you keep a 12" trout, does that mean it didn't have the gene to grow to 8#? Or, do 5-8 lb fish start out at that size?

What I'm saying is, how do you know that the dinks that w loves to show off wouldn't have made it to 8#?...aside from being in the freezer!

[Salty]

Originally Posted by southern151

So, if you keep a 12" trout, does that mean it didn't have the gene to grow to 8#? Or, do 5-8 lb fish start out at that size?

What I'm saying is, how do you know that the dinks that w loves to show off wouldn't have made it to 8#?...aside from being in the freezer!

This should answer your question.....

Originally Posted by "W"

Trout fishing is like taking a C hit....

If you give up on it in 10 minutes ... you might not of known what the full result would of been if you sat 35mins longer

[evis102]

Once you kill a fish its potential is at a end and ofcourse there is no way to know. Just sayin, big fat mama sow trout have the potential to pass on the genes that allowed them to become big fat mama trout to there offspring no matter the father. My dad is 5'5" 120lbs Im 6'1" 240lbs, it can happen.
I also do not think keeping small fish is a bad thing. I have talked to people that have been wade fishing Big Lake since the late 80's and they all agree that 2002-2003 were to best years for trophy trout(unfortunately I pretty much lived in the bottle from 1993-2004 so i do not have first hand knowledge) . The limit then was 25 yet there were more 8lb+ trout than at any other time. They also agree that there are more smaller trout now than then. Maybe the hurricanes had something to do with it or maybe it was the cold weather or maybe there is just some sort of cycle that we have yet to understand.

[Salty]

Originally Posted by evis102

Once you kill a fish its potential is at a end and ofcourse there is no way to know. Just sayin, big fat mama sow trout have the potential to pass on the genes that allowed them to become big fat mama trout to there offspring no matter the father. My dad is 5'5" 120lbs Im 6'1" 240lbs, it can happen.
I also do not think keeping small fish is a bad thing. I have talked to people that have been wade fishing Big Lake since the late 80's and they all agree that 2002-2003 were to best years for trophy trout(unfortunately I pretty much lived in the bottle from 1993-2004 so i do not have first hand knowledge) . The limit then was 25 yet there were more 8lb+ trout than at any other time. They also agree that there are more smaller trout now than then. Maybe the hurricanes had something to do with it or maybe it was the cold weather or maybe there is just some sort of cycle that we have yet to understand.

^ This.

[Hopedale Hustler]

i think big fat monsters are not engineered through genes..all new borns have a shot at gettin big...wether or not they meet that monster status size i do believe depends on how long they live and how much food they consume....

[Mediumheavyaction6'6]

I fish with a fly rod because I like the challenge. I am not under any illusions that it makes me a better fisherman than anyone else. I release all my fish, ESPECIALLY the big ones in hopes that a child may experience the joys I have in my time fishing this planet. I think that does make me better than everyone else. I can't have kids and yet I release fish in hopes that some of your kids get to experience what this wonderful fishery has to offer. So, your welcome and most of you should hope there are more like me out there otherwise you will probably just have to tell your kids about the times you used to have.

[southern151]

MedHeavy, I applaud your valor. I'm doing my part in this too. I just don't catch big fish. I have a special repellant for them!

I won't keep one 13" or less. To me, there is no point. And, in all honesty, I can put on one hand how many I've caught over 20". I don't much care that I'm not catchin sows, although I would someday like to catch one.

I've never even caught a limit. I don't think I would keep 25 fish because I don't feel like cleaning them all and it's more than my family and I would eat before they went bad. 10-12 is all I need in a day and I still have some left in the freezer right now.

See, MedHeavy, I told you I was doing my part!

[Duck Butter]

Wow, what happened here

Someone is comparing deer to trout? That article 'W' posted from Jerald Horst should be the death knell of this conversation. He does know a little about fishes after all. The fact of the matter is that when the limit on trout was reduced to 15 on Big Lake there was not ONE BIT OF SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE to support a reduction. It was all POLITICAL. A bunch of crybabies whined and got the limit dropped. I would really like to hear Jerald Horst's opinion on the matter or ANY fisheries biologist opinion on the matter. The reason trout get big in Big Lake is look at all the damn food. Throw a castnet behind those damn weirs and see what comes up. There is an abundance of food, and trout are eating machines. They eat, eat eat. They grow fast. They are prolific spawners, they will spawn repeatedly. The big females do not search out a genetically superior male to spawn with. Its more like an orgy, they just release eggs and the male fertilizes it (the nearest male, not the biggest baddest male). They don't make beds like a male bass and try and impress the female, Its wham bam thank you m'aam. If you guys want to release big trout that is great, I would do the same thing, because I know I can catch more smaller ones that I would rather eat. But to criticize someone else who keeps a PERFECTLY LEGAL fish is ridiculous.

..and for the record - I shoot does, hens, and jake turkeys

[Ray]

Waltrip is catching all the females with good genes, when they are 12 to 14 inches.
So what's the difference if you catch them before they get big or after they get big???

[southern151]

Originally Posted by Ray

Waltrip is catching all the females with good genes, when they are 12 to 14 inches.
So what's the difference if you catch them before they get big or after they get big???

Exactly what I was asking in an earlier post!