15 Trout Limit Discussion PUBLIC

["W"]

Originally Posted by Salty

W, we all want to hear about the oyster situation that Chicken mentioned. "Cents" you ain't denied it....are we to assume it's true? C'mon, "Mr. I've fished Big Lake "cents" I was 4' tall."

Inquirin' minds want to know.

Show me facts about oyster fishing how its hurting....have all day.....we have 15 facts here that we did not need trout limit reduce



Show me fact that we need oyster fishing reduce......show me a quote from WLF or biologist

[Salty]

Originally Posted by "W"

Show me facts about oyster fishing how its hurting....have all day.....we have 15 facts here that we did not need trout limit reduce



Show me fact that we need oyster fishing reduce......show me a quote from WLF or biologist

I don't care about "facts". Are you, or, or you not guilty of what Chicken accused you of concerning the oyster situation? Choose your words carefully because I'm pretty sure he's prepared.

[weedeater]

Originally Posted by Salty

I don't care about "facts". Are you, or, or you not guilty of what Chicken accused you of concerning the oyster situation? Choose your words carefully because I'm pretty sure he's prepared.

Sickem

["W"]

Originally Posted by Choupique

I would spend my energy on them worrying about the oystering over there, but thats just me.

Originally Posted by ckinchen

Exactly, that is the real issue we should all work together on.

Originally Posted by ckinchen

There are plenty of people that recognize the danger that is present with the over harvesting of oysters, some of which are people have the power to make sure the lake is protected.

I assume a small publication or two will pick up on the current limit debate that is going on here due to the outreach of this website but I suspect it will not make an impact.

I personally and speaking for the site will not get involved in the limit issue one way or another on either side as I believe there are bigger issues and that bigger issue is protecting the food resources in the lake (oysters). I recognize that you have to pick your battles and in politics you should only fight the battles that really matter the most. I would however stand firm behind a push to continue to limit oyster harvesting in the lake and I would be willing to us the contacts and resources that I have obtained. There are a large number of people on the sidelines that would help us take up the oyster conservation fight. You were one of the loudest most vocal opponents on the over harvesting of oysters until one of you close “family friends” decided to introduce a bill to the contrary (I can pull the post for everyone to see it if you would like). Since then you have completely changed your position. You also served on the board of the CCA after the limits were changed and stood firm behind their mission and values so for you to blame them now after having been a part of management and the decision making process to me is shady politics.

You had an excellent opportunity to bring about change when you actually had a vote and voice, where was this 14 page thread then (I recognize you were on LAS then)? What if one of your neighbors or close family friends takes another stand against raising the limit, will you leave all of your apparent supporters on the site standing alone holding the bag like you did on the oyster issue? In a thread that speaks to conservation and what is best for the lake even though they may be joking there are people on this very thread talking about gill nets which almost destroyed the redfish and trout population and would have had it not been for the work of the CCA. This thread and cause needs leadership, right now it is heading in multiple directions and any mention of gill nets and what will happen “after” the limits are raised would possibly cause you all to not be considered conservationist but instead greedy fishermen, if that is the case both causes are finished.

This is my last post on this thread but just a few food for thoughts as this thread continues and I am not interested in the current direction and or debating the limit topic. If you guys want to get serious about the over harvesting of oysters let me know.

If there is a group that pushes for the 25 trout limit and science shows that such limit is good for the lake then I wish you guys the best. However having to pick one cause to support the choice for me is very easy, the food resources of the lake are a much higher priority.

Originally Posted by ckinchen

Just because someone can make a living off of the public's resources does not mean it should be accepted. People made money while fishing with gill nets, we all agree that was not a good idea. People can make money dumping toxic waste in the Sabine Refuge, still not a good idea.

Some oystering is ok, the complete lack of oversight and over harvesting that took place on the lake prior to this year was a serious mismanagement of the estuary and there are people in power right now that are trying to get us back to that point.

If big lake become a giant mud hole with no significant food for the trout population you/we will have bigger issues than what our limits are. This in my mind is a big picture issue.

Originally Posted by ckinchen

I just undeleted the two post that were deleted by the mods (w's and mcjared's), I want people to see how W really feels. Take a look everyone, this is your leader in action. Ready to follow him to battle?

Show me some proof from biologist that supports this above??? We proved over and over on our issue with facts
If you show me one biological fact on this issue I will shut up

[ckinchen]

Originally Posted by "W"

Show me some proof from biologist that supports this above??? We proved over and over on our issue with facts
If you show me one biological fact on this issue I will shut up

Like you said you know more than all of us and 99% of the people on this site are office fishermen. Some of us have aluminum boats, some throw shrimp, some do not have a Haynie. Out of our 6,000 members, you are down to about 10 that you respect and are your people. The rest of us are not worthy of your time so I won't bother.

What I might do is create a subsection on the site just for you and your very small band of followers.

I'm done, I had no reason to be in this conversation in the first place other than I wanted people to see you for what you really are. I think they get the picture now.

On the Oyster issue, just go back a couple of posts and read your own quotes. Seems like we were on the same page then. That was before office politics got the best of you Mr. President.

["W"]

Originally Posted by ckinchen

Like you said you know more than all of us and 99% of the people on this site are office fishermen. Some of us have aluminum boats, some throw shrimp, some do not have a Haynie. Out of our 6,000 members, you are down to about 10 that you respect and are your people. The rest of us are not worthy of your time so I won't bother.

What I might do is create a subsection on the site just for you and your very small band of followers.

I'm done, I had no reason to be in this conversation in the first place other than I wanted people to see you for what you really are. I think they get the picture now.

On the Oyster issue, just go back a couple of posts and read your own quotes. Seems like we were on the same page then. That was before office politics got the best of you Mr. President.

My point proven.....you have no facts to support oyster banning you jumped the gun by acting like you wanted to change the topic but when called out to show us some facts to support your cause .
You come up with ways to try to make me look bad

Wrong you lost this debate from jumping on a subject that you can not base nothing more than speculation or hear say


Again I rest my case ..Case Closed on Oyster dredging
Next ??

[youmyboyblue]

I wish my life was simple enough to have a "fish weight" as my biggest concern.

[PaulMyers]

Originally Posted by youmyboyblue

I wish my life was simple enough to have a "fish weight" as my biggest concern.

That is so true! :thumbup:

[weedeater]

It sure does suck having to go to work to provide for my family and then on my days off from work know that I have to spend time with my family.... does anyone feel sorry for me because I sure don't...... guess some prod are just born *****$

[Salty]

Originally Posted by weedeater

It sure does suck having to go to work to provide for my family and then on my days off from work know that I have to spend time with my family.... does anyone feel sorry for me because I sure don't...... guess some prod are just born *****$

Especially with a recent first born child.

[all star rod]

First it was PILGRIMS.... now its Office fishermen.......lol

[1fastmerc]

Im still waiting on if they raised the limit to whatever made him happy how is it gonna solve the problem. Being according to him and Jared said the samething that only a handful of people can catch a limit on bl. This goes along with what Jared said. If he wants to thin out the trout population then, 1 start telling everybody where to fish and stop blacking out the background, 2 take more people fishing with him, 3 stop making fun of people fishing the weirs, 4 go to Calcasieu Point everyday he's off and make sure ever boat has life shrimp with them. If they don't then go buy them a quart or however much they want. This is just a start.


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[youmyboyblue]

Not speaking for Big Lake b/c I don't know, but if they were to lower the limit in Lake P to 10 per person, more fish would still be caught and kept this year than in 2006 b/c of the increase in boats. Years ago, you could fish the causeway all day and never get near another boat. Now, it is a circus out there. Since the internet phase began(LAS, salty cajun, Rodnreel etc..) more guys are fishing Lake P. I can only assume the fishing traffic is much heavier now in Big Lake.

["W"]

Com on Casey and Salty.

.all want to cry about osytering so me some facts that the lake needs to stop oystering

Pull up facts like mathgeek did on trout limits,,,,you show me where a biologist said osytering is hurting the lake I will shut up

[Salty]

Originally Posted by "W"

Com on Casey and Salty.

.all want to cry about osytering so me some facts that the lake needs to stop oystering

Pull up facts like mathgeek did on trout limits,,,,you show me where a biologist said osytering is hurting the lake I will shut up

So, we'll just assume Chicken ain't makin' up this crap.

People have to be careful who they line up with to do battle. You have to make sure that the person that has convinced you that he is right will be standing beside you (not behind you) in the end.

W = Obama.

[SULPHITE]

just posting some past info not poo stirin...limits or oysters whatever just help the lake:

http://www.saltycajun.com/forum/show...ghlight=OYSTER

["W"]

Just what I thought.....we have plenty of hard facts that proved we never needed a limit reduction

We have Zero facts about oyster dredging destroying the lake..

(but since I spend so much time on the water I can tell you 1st hand that oyster dredging is hurting the lake, but I guess my time on the water is not justified for support of the 25trout limit but could be justified for oyster dredging (hypocritical ) )

My point proving to the T

I'm Winning ......

[ckinchen]

W it seems like you sure were hell bent on taking out the oyster problem, but now you have completed your 180? That office politician that is a family friend sure did put you in your place.

See below, I have plenty more where this came from Mr. Obama/ W.

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We have a problem....if it was not a problem we would not be talking about it.

Out of town oystermen have no respect for our lake just like Texas fisherman who come fish
Texas fisherman will preach Catch and Release on their how waters in TX but come to our Lake and kill em all!

Same with Oyster fisherman from Out of Town

16 permits were given to Houma fisherman! Like they care!

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Oyster fisherman They Mad
LMAO...they have some Oyster fisherman protesting on main street in Jennings about Oyster permit ban...
(I guess here because Dan Morrish office is here)
I stopped to see what the fuss was about and almost got shanked,...

I said I fish Big Lake and yall were killing our reefs...how about let's Tong and all u can have permits?? They did not want to hear that!!!

I asked one question ...I said when the lake was tong only they had 25 boats working! Now they have 300,,,,can u explain? That's when I had to leave!!!

Got sum pics but my angles sucked...tried to seak them with out them seeing me

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Originally Posted by Hebert
again..you have people that want to restrict other people's right to fish.....when are they gonna learn they don't own our fisheries? if it comes to a few select chosen few to earn a living in this or the right of any cajun who wants to go out and fish for some oysters..the cajun has every right to do it because it is his heritage to do it. pilgrim or no pilgrim...that's one of the reasons they made vo-tech and 2 year college's ...for people that need to re-educate their selves if they don't like what is going on in their profession.

again...Heritage means hard working people..so tong your oysters and dont dredge our lake to death...When its whipped out...I guess you will be the one who blames the WL&F for closing it for 10 years??

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We are not wanting to take any jobs away.,,, your missing the point...we have no beds left and we do not seed...so the ones who don't care and just want a fast in and out buck should have to work for it.... If the want to come tong come tong..but right now you have 250 boats dredging on 6 reefs... I promise if they ban dredging and go to tong only for anyone who wants to oyster... You will have 25-30 boats working... And BTW I crawfished for 8 years and I know how hard that BS is.....

["W"]

Originally Posted by ckinchen

W it seems like you sure were hell bent on taking out the oyster problem, but now you have completed your 180? That office politician that is a family friend sure did put you in your place.

See below, I have plenty more where this came from Mr. Obama/ W.

10-07-2011, 05:10 PM
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We have a problem....if it was not a problem we would not be talking about it.

Out of town oystermen have no respect for our lake just like Texas fisherman who come fish
Texas fisherman will preach Catch and Release on their how waters in TX but come to our Lake and kill em all!

Same with Oyster fisherman from Out of Town

16 permits were given to Houma fisherman! Like they care!

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Oyster fisherman They Mad
LMAO...they have some Oyster fisherman protesting on main street in Jennings about Oyster permit ban...
(I guess here because Dan Morrish office is here)
I stopped to see what the fuss was about and almost got shanked,...

I said I fish Big Lake and yall were killing our reefs...how about let's Tong and all u can have permits?? They did not want to hear that!!!

I asked one question ...I said when the lake was tong only they had 25 boats working! Now they have 300,,,,can u explain? That's when I had to leave!!!

Got sum pics but my angles sucked...tried to seak them with out them seeing me
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hebert
again..you have people that want to restrict other people's right to fish.....when are they gonna learn they don't own our fisheries? if it comes to a few select chosen few to earn a living in this or the right of any cajun who wants to go out and fish for some oysters..the cajun has every right to do it because it is his heritage to do it. pilgrim or no pilgrim...that's one of the reasons they made vo-tech and 2 year college's ...for people that need to re-educate their selves if they don't like what is going on in their profession.

again...Heritage means hard working people..so tong your oysters and dont dredge our lake to death...When its whipped out...I guess you will be the one who blames the WL&F for closing it for 10 years??
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We are not wanting to take any jobs away.,,, your missing the point...we have no beds left and we do not seed...so the ones who don't care and just want a fast in and out buck should have to work for it.... If the want to come tong come tong..but right now you have 250 boats dredging on 6 reefs... I promise if they ban dredging and go to tong only for anyone who wants to oyster... You will have 25-30 boats working... And BTW I crawfished for 8 years and I know how hard that BS is.....

You proved what???? I never said I supported oysterfisherman but my fact on the subject is pure speculation (as yall see it) you said show facts....prove

Your telling me I can't get a limit change with hard evidence right ??? Show me hard evidence on oysterfishing other that observing it everyday


Have I ever posted things from biologist about oysters ??


This don't change my thinking one bit, I hope they ban them for 1000 years

[ckinchen]

Obama/W you better check with your close family friend the office politician and make sure that he does not support 15 trout limits or you may have to do another 180.

What a joke, I am glad everyone can see this. Like you said "keep it in the public area so everyone can see". Well you got it buddy....