15 Trout Limit Discussion PUBLIC

[mcjaredsandwich]

Originally Posted by SGib

Can those who target only large trout post up some pics? Or some numbers from the past years? Be very interesting to see.

Not trying to throw names out, but stulb catches plenty of big trout. Wish he would chime in on this thread.

sammich

[Asterisk-Rich]

Originally Posted by mcjaredsandwich

Not trying to throw names out, but stulb catches plenty of big trout. Wish he would chime in on this thread.

sammich

and he's a real class act on the water...

[Salty]

Originally Posted by mcjaredsandwich

Not trying to throw names out, but stulb catches plenty of big trout. Wish he would chime in on this thread.

sammich

No way to tell how many big trout this dude catches because he doesn't start an internet thread every time he gets a bite. If I could choose someone to take me big trout fishing...he would be at the top of my list.

[Salty]

Originally Posted by "W"

In 6 years it is fact that Big Trout numbers or down.
.every guide who fishes will tell u this also

How many of these guides target big trout exclusively?





90% of you on this thread spend 3/4 less time on the water than I do.. So don't tell me my theory is wrong when you don't spend the time or know 1st hand the problem
99% of you talk about crap you don't know..you yap yap yap behind a desk and fish on weekend and think you know something

You don't know

...you don't see it enough to know
...your not around enough to know
I been on this lake from 5years old and I spend more time on the water in one year than 80 % of you do in 10years

I re-read this part and am absolutely amazed at how unbelievably egotistical you are.

["W"]

LMAO....yall done pissed someone off.... Got a email that have yall by name....you know the office fisherman....who went to Baton Rouge..Lamar

This dude threw it down with dates, times, how voted what , who the puppets on the strings were....who is still a puppet on a string....the one who writes the checks to a organization.



Chicken ..its got a lot of names but its legit...can I post it...(I promise the ones who get butthurt should get it)

[Salty]

Originally Posted by "W"

LMAO....yall done pissed someone off.... Got a email that have yall by name....you know the office fisherman....who went to Baton Rouge..Lamar

This dude threw it down with dates, times, how voted what , who the puppets on the strings were....who is still a puppet on a string....the one who writes the checks to a organization.



Chicken ..its got a lot of names but its legit...can I post it...(I promise the ones who get butthurt should get it)

You show 'em, W....change it back.

[weedeater]

Originally Posted by Salty

You show 'em, W....change it back.

Hercules Hercules

[ckinchen]

No on the positing names that are not public record. I do no think anyone disputes that the limit was changed by certain influential people with little to no scientific data. I know one gentlemen that was there and he freely admits it and is proud of it. If he wants to post his legal name on the Internet that is up to him. I want no part of invading people's privacy.

["W"]

Originally Posted by ckinchen

No on the positing names that are not public record. I do no think anyone disputes that the limit was changed by certain influential people with little to know scientific data. I know one gentlemen that was there and he freely admits it and is proud of it. If he wants to post his legal name on the Internet that is up to him. I want no part of invading people's privacy.

Wow,,..now you see my point


And I hope who ever you know who is proud because he got his way due to greed and no sportsmanship

Hope he reads this because I will tell this to his face

Your a freaken idiot....your have no respect for your waters other than your own selfish greed . And Casey has my number if you want it...punk

[Keywest18]

Originally Posted by "W"

And I hope who ever you know who is proud because he got his way due to greed and no sportsmanship

Correct me if im wrong here but how is it greedy to "reduce" the limit? I would think greedy would be raising the limit?and as far as sportsmanship I believe it was stated in a previous post about it possibly being people reducing the limit to help preserve the population of trouts so theire kids can fish the lake and catch trout as well. to me thats being a sportsman. Not tryin to start an arguement just confused about the greed part

["W"]

Originally Posted by thegr8cody

Correct me if im wrong here but how is it greedy to "reduce" the limit? I would think greedy would be raising the limit?and as far as sportsmanship I believe it was stated in a previous post about it possibly being people reducing the limit to help preserve the population of trouts so theire kids can fish the lake and catch trout as well. to me thats being a sportsman. Not tryin to start an arguement just confused about the greed part

This crap was never about no kids and future man com on
...that was the scapegoat ..

The main pusher wanted 10trout 14inchs up.because he don't keep fish..
One guide service supported so they could finally catch a full limit in stead of 3-5% of the time under 25limit

Man this is not about no kids its about a very small group of guys who all or family or real close friends that started this crap

They happen to have some family money and when u line the right pockets ..you don't need facts or science

[ckinchen]

Originally Posted by "W"

This crap was never about no kids and future man com on
...that was the scapegoat ..

The main pusher wanted 10trout 14inchs up.because he don't keep fish..
One guide service supported so they could finally catch a full limit in stead of 3-5% of the time under 25limit

Man this is not about no kids its about a very small group of guys who all or family or real close friends that started this crap

They happen to have some family money and when u line the right pockets ..you don't need facts or science

From a full disclosure standpoint that is your version of the truth. The version I heard is that the person I know that was involved wanted to see the lake stay what it is/was for decades to come and he saw the increased pressure on the lake and wanted to be proactive and do something about it.

Also the only guide service I saw on the lake that did not support the reduction was Jeff Poe and big lake guide service. It was far from one guide service that was pushing this.

This guy I know would beat you in a fish off by the way and it woudln't be close. Not that it matters or anything but I thoguht your ego could use another kick in the mid section.

I am glad to see that your computer is now working and the standard "25 or bust" no longer shows up. Now maybe you can answer some of the questions that have been asked.

[MathGeek]

Originally Posted by thegr8cody

Correct me if im wrong here but how is it greedy to "reduce" the limit? I would think greedy would be raising the limit?and as far as sportsmanship I believe it was stated in a previous post about it possibly being people reducing the limit to help preserve the population of trouts so theire kids can fish the lake and catch trout as well. to me thats being a sportsman. Not tryin to start an arguement just confused about the greed part

Sometimes the best deer management is to harvest more does because the deer are overpopulated and there is simply not enough food to feed all the hungry mouths. Old deer management thinking was to harvest only bucks and leave all the does for the benefit of the herd. When applied to overpopulated situations, this is bad management.

Preserving the trout resource ultimately means preserving the habitat and food sources on which the trout depend. Data shows that the spotted seatrout in Calcasieu estuary are thinner and growing more slowly than they were before the limit change in 2006. The most likely explanation is that there are more trout relative to their available food sources than there used to be. Spotted seatrout in the estuary used to be fatter than the statewide average. After the change in the limits, the data show they are thinner than the Louisiana average.

Some have suggested that greedy/lazy guides may have supported lowering the limits so they would only have to help clients catch 15 trout per day rather than 25 which would take considerably less time and less gas and allow them to fit in more trips in a week.

[huntin fool]

Originally Posted by MathGeek

Sometimes the best deer management is to harvest more does because the deer are overpopulated and there is simply not enough food to feed all the hungry mouths. Old deer management thinking was to harvest only bucks and leave all the does for the benefit of the herd. When applied to overpopulated situations, this is bad management.

Preserving the trout resource ultimately means preserving the habitat and food sources on which the trout depend. Data shows that the spotted seatrout in Calcasieu estuary are thinner and growing more slowly than they were before the limit change in 2006. The most likely explanation is that there are more trout relative to their available food sources than there used to be. Spotted seatrout in the estuary used to be fatter than the statewide average. After the change in the limits, the data show they are thinner than the Louisiana average.

Some have suggested that greedy/lazy guides may have supported lowering the limits so they would only have to help clients catch 15 trout per day rather than 25 which would take considerably less time and less gas and allow them to fit in more trips in a week.

X2. You hit the nail on the head.

[ckinchen]

Originally Posted by MathGeek

Sometimes the best deer management is to harvest more does because the deer are overpopulated and there is simply not enough food to feed all the hungry mouths. Old deer management thinking was to harvest only bucks and leave all the does for the benefit of the herd. When applied to overpopulated situations, this is bad management.

Preserving the trout resource ultimately means preserving the habitat and food sources on which the trout depend. Data shows that the spotted seatrout in Calcasieu estuary are thinner and growing more slowly than they were before the limit change in 2006. The most likely explanation is that there are more trout relative to their available food sources than there used to be. Spotted seatrout in the estuary used to be fatter than the statewide average. After the change in the limits, the data show they are thinner than the Louisiana average.

Some have suggested that greedy/lazy guides may have supported lowering the limits so they would only have to help clients catch 15 trout per day rather than 25 which would take considerably less time and less gas and allow them to fit in more trips in a week.

If those involved are guilty of anything it is not the desire to spend less gas or be required to catch fewer trout. If the decision to lower the limit was wrong (and I am not saying it is because I do not know) it was done with good intentions. I can assure you these people want what is best for the estuary from a long term perspective.

I have heard a rumor and this is strictly a rumor not from anyone I know or anyone involved in Baton Rouge that part of the desire to see the limit go down was to try and help reduce some of the pressure on the lake. The thought was that Texas fishermen may not have been as willing to drive all the way to Lake Charles for only 5 more fish than they could catch in their own water. I do not believe that theory worked but again that rumor was not from anyone that was involved.

My belief is that those that made this decsion did so becuase they saw the signfiicant increase in pressure on the lake and they were concerned about the long term future of the estuary with the increased pressure. These people like all of us I'm sure want their grandkids to enjoy fishing on big lake.

Maybe they were wrong, I personally believe that are a number of factors in play regarding big trout and we would need more data to prove that such a theory were in fact correct. All you guys can do is bring your data and concerns to the LDWLF and possibly the CCA and see how they feel.

Like I have said before if as a group you/we want to take on the Oyster harvesting issue, I would support that cause and get behind it. I am not convinced that 15 v/s 25 makes a great difference either way and I am more concerned about oysters in the lake which long term I believe is the 800lb gorilla in the room. That and how the weir system is managed.

[Feesherman]

Originally Posted by MathGeek

Sometimes the best deer management is to harvest more does because the deer are overpopulated and there is simply not enough food to feed all the hungry mouths. Old deer management thinking was to harvest only bucks and leave all the does for the benefit of the herd. When applied to overpopulated situations, this is bad management.

Preserving the trout resource ultimately means preserving the habitat and food sources on which the trout depend. Data shows that the spotted seatrout in Calcasieu estuary are thinner and growing more slowly than they were before the limit change in 2006. The most likely explanation is that there are more trout relative to their available food sources than there used to be. Spotted seatrout in the estuary used to be fatter than the statewide average. After the change in the limits, the data show they are thinner than the Louisiana average.

Some have suggested that greedy/lazy guides may have supported lowering the limits so they would only have to help clients catch 15 trout per day rather than 25 which would take considerably less time and less gas and allow them to fit in more trips in a week.

Since W doesn't have an answer(because he himself turned his opinion into a fact in his mind) I will ask you. Is there any data to suggest that the limit change alone is the driving force behind the thinner, slower growing trout? Is there any data or any study at all on what implications the limit change had on the trout? Has there been any study done on what impact the over fishing of our oysters reefs have had on the trout or are we really just speculating and/or making assumptions?
How do you address the fact that most people don't catch 15 trout much less 25 trout?

[mcjaredsandwich]

sammich

[mcjaredsandwich]

Originally Posted by Salty

You show 'em, W....change it back.

sammich

[all star rod]

So W, really what are the odds that you can get it changed back to 25...

["W"]

Originally Posted by all star rod

So W, really what are the odds that you can get it changed back to 25...

probably never but got some good info out

We solved 3 things
#1. The small group of office fisherman had zero proof but yet used data from a dying estuary to compare our lake

#2. Every Biologist said changing limits was a bad thing

#3 lack of big trout is due to overpopulation of trout