2013 Snapper season changes

[Montauk17]

Originally Posted by "W"

Government has to enforce laws or you could get a maw and paw company who just let's a platform rust to no end and fall over in a small storm .
So yes government laws are in place for my safety and everyone else safety ! I sure the hell don't want to walk on a platform and fall though grading ?


Have you ever been offshore ??

Now we are on safety....lol here we go. This a tread about snapper

[ckinchen]

Originally Posted by "W"

Government has to enforce laws or you could get a maw and paw company who just let's a platform rust to no end and fall over in a small storm .
So yes government laws are in place for my safety and everyone else safety ! I sure the hell don't want to walk on a platform and fall though grading ?


Have you ever been offshore ??

Ok and Mr. Rig know it all do you know how that takes place? A bond yep even a mom and pop can (and does) drill offshore if they can put up a bond to cover the P&A cost. Totally different subject but you are reaching now.

[swamp snorkler]

[quote="W";547483]Government has to enforce laws or you could get a maw and paw company who just let's a platform rust to no end and fall over in a small storm .
So yes government laws are in place for my safety and everyone else safety ! I sure the hell don't want to walk on a platform and fall though [COLOR=red]grading[/COLOR] ?


Have you ever been offshore ??[/quote]


Since you spend so much time offshore you should know its called GRATING

In the last quarter of last year we finished the worlds largest lift boat. It's equiped with a 500 and a 200 ton crane...... It sole purpose is platform decommisoning and removal. Works so well we have orders for 2 more and they want them want them all ASAP! L/B Robert is the name of the boat. L/B Jill is the next one and we also building another for a company I can't remember the name of.

[URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liftboat"]Liftboat[/URL]

http://www.montcooffshore.com/liftboats.php

[jdm4x43732]

[QUOTE=swamp snorkler;547904]Since you spend so much time offshore you should know its called GRATING



I am not getting in this argument but there is fiberglass grating that will not rust, and iron grating that will rust. Either one has to be attached to iron beams either by welding or clamps. I don't see what the grating comment was about. One way or another you will have rust problems without a corrosion prevention program, blasting and painting.

[Duck Butter]

[quote=jdm4x43732;547916]

Originally Posted by swamp snorkler

Since you spend so much time offshore you should know its called GRATING



I am not getting in this argument but there is fiberglass grating that will not rust, and iron grating that will rust. Either one has to be attached to iron beams either by welding or clamps. I don't see what the grating comment was about. One way or another you will have rust problems without a corrosion prevention program, blasting and painting.

Hijack, but since this thread is got a few oilfiled workers responding - where can I find some of that fiberglass grating? I have found it online but is there a place in Louisiana that sells this stuff? I saw it used for an ATV trailer and also a deck in Grand Isle and its exactly what we are looking for to make a boardwalk out of in Grand Isle, thanks

["W"]

And this is a fact Jack , most Foreman's offshore know 100xs more than a guy in the office pushing papers and #s !!

[ckinchen]

Originally Posted by "W"

And this is a fact Jack , most Foreman's offshore know 100xs more than a guy in the office pushing papers and #s !!

The foreman offshore knows more about running the rig, yep I would agree with that. The CEO probably knows a little bit more about managing[SIZE=2][SIZE=2][/SIZE][/SIZE]cash flow and making payroll. This is a financial issue not a who can find the oil and run the rig issue. Again let's drop it, I wish I would have never pointed out was is very obvious to the rest of us to you.

[mriguy]

Sarcasm is pretty thick

[Duck Butter]

The main issue with leaving the 'rigs' (I know they are called platforms but the rigs to reef program didn't get that memo I guess) is LIABILITY. It is in writing that the oil companies have to remove the platform after the lease or whatever runs out. They are simply following the law, its not their fault. They would just assume save money and leave the rig standing there but that goes back to liability. If they were to leave it there and a boat hits it at night, they are coming after the oil company. If the oil platform is donated to the state for a reef, and a boat hits the reef at night, etc. they are coming after the state for money. The state would have to put lights on these things and lighting for that size of a structure would require a generator, diesel, maintenance, etc. I believe there is a moratorium on the removal of rigs right now as they try and figure the best strategy. Its obvious that the platforms support tons of marine life, the oil companies have their hands tied in a sense they are damned if they do and damned if they don't.
The state/feds need to figure a way to keep these structures out there for habitat and couple that with reduction in liability. Also, a platform not being maintained (welded, painted) will eventually rust out and fall over. If a fishing vessel was there tied up and the platform fell onto their boat, they are suing somebody.

Its a very interesting predicament and I hope the outcome benefits the fish and fishermen. The Rigs to Reefs program is a great program but 'they' can't figure out how to get around the legal issue of liability. And, our governor keeps raiding the fund for other usages

[ckinchen]

Agreed db.

["W"]

Here is your problem If let's say the State takes over for a reef!

The State now has to hire a staff to maintain these platforms and keep Coast Guard and Nav Aids working properly and would have to keep the structure safe for maintenance of the Nav Aids .

Safety Is #1 in Gulf
Safety
Compliance
Production

So it is going to cost the state millions to maintain these structures in a safe manner




There was a fight a while back about the removal of a platform around the flower gardens , not sure the outcome of that

[ckinchen]

Originally Posted by "W"

Here is your problem If let's say the State takes over for a reef!

The State now has to hire a staff to maintain these platforms and keep Coast Guard and Nav Aids working properly and would have to keep the structure safe for maintenance of the Nav Aids .

Safety Is #1 in Gulf
Safety
Compliance
Production

So it is going to cost the state millions to maintain these structures in a safe manner




There was a fight a while back about the removal of a platform around the flower gardens , not sure the outcome of that

There are millions that were ear marked to restoration and programs to promote and restore the fishery, unfortuantly your governor is using the money in other places.

[Duck Butter]

Couple of new items

http://wlf.louisiana.gov/news/36342

and this just went down, didn't see any outcome of the very last one King Bobby is getting ready to make a run for President in 2016, he better clear this one up quick
REVISED Louisiana Wildlife and Fisheries Commission Meeting Agenda


Printable Version
Release Date: 02/04/2013

The next regular Commission Meeting will be held at 9:30 AM on Thursday, February 7, 2013, at the Waddill Outdoor Education Center, 4142 North Flannery Rd, Baton Rouge, LA 70814.
The following items will be discussed:
1. Roll Call
2. Approval of Minutes of January 3, 2013
3. Commission Special Announcements/Personal Privilege
4. To Hear Enforcement & Aviation Reports/January
5. To receive and consider a Notice of Intent for the 2013 – 2015 Hunting Seasons and 2013-2014 WMA Seasons
6. To receive and consider a Notice of Intent on General/WMA Hunting Rules and Regulations
7. To present recognition to the Tangipahoa Parish School Board for continued free lease of lands comprising the WMA
8. To receive and consider a Notice of Intent on DMAP Fee Corrections
9. To receive and consider a resolution to add the Rathborne Tract to the Maurepas Swamp WMA
10. To consider the Alternative Oyster Culture Permit proposed Rule for final Rule
11. To receive and consider a Declaration of Emergency on Fisheries Closures due to Oil Spill
12. To receive a presentation of Annual Stock Assessment Report for Striped Mullet
13. Discussion of the 2013 Red Snapper Season
14. To receive and consider a Notice of Intent to designate the fishing boundary for Lake D’Arbonne for purposes of crappie regulations
15. To receive and consider a Notice of Intent related to black bass regulations in the Atchafalaya Basin, Lake Verret, Lake Palourde, and Fausse Pointe Lake
16. To elect Vice-Chairman
17. Set June 2013 Meeting Date
18. Receive Public Comments
19. Executive Session to Discuss Prospective Litigation relative to return of Artificial Reef Fund Monies
20. Adjournment

[BROWN FIN]

I wish they would just cut them down and lay them on the bottom and put a buoy on them. It might not be cost effective but would prob help all marine life. I know the U.S.C.G. has rules about this due to them being a hazard to navigation but that's why there are things such as safety fairways,radar reflectors and lighted buoys. There are many of rigs that used to hold good fish 75-100 miles out of Cameron that are no longer there and not much life on the bottom where they used to be. It's not fun to run all night to arrive at the spot where a rig used to be 1 month prior.


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[mikedatiger]

A percentage of the abandoned platforms have been proved to be bubbling, i.e. leaking so that is a definite point in favor of removal. Removal method is up to the owner (as long as permits are approved) and ~ half are still done via explosives as its the cheapest method.

[Duck Butter]

the top 50' of the structure would have to be removed per shipping regulations. this so happens to be where the most productive place in the water column because sunlight reaches this area. there isn't much primary production going on at 400', so the platform would not be nearly as productive sitting on the bottom of the seafloor. they need to remain standing for the best habitat, but who is going to claim the liability? who is going to pay for the lights/buoys/maintenance on these structures? is it worth it? its not for the oil companies

[cajun_poboy]

There is a federal program out there called rigs to reefs that offers an avenue for the oil companies to lower expenses involved with decommissioning the rigs and still keep the structures for reefs. If I remember correctly, the top part of the structure down to 80' has to be removed. It can be set on the sea floor next to the remaining structure. There are some other requirements, but once they are satisfied, the feds assume responsibility of the reef from that point on. It does not continue to be a liability for the oil companies.

[Duck Butter]

Originally Posted by cajun_poboy

There is a federal program out there called rigs to reefs that offers an avenue for the oil companies to lower expenses involved with decommissioning the rigs and still keep the structures for reefs. If I remember correctly, the top part of the structure down to 80' has to be removed. It can be set on the sea floor next to the remaining structure. There are some other requirements, but once they are satisfied, the feds assume responsibility of the reef from that point on. It does not continue to be a liability for the oil companies.

Bobby Jindal has taken the money out of this fund and used it elsewhere though

[Duck Butter]

Originally Posted by cajun_poboy

There is a federal program out there called rigs to reefs that offers an avenue for the oil companies to lower expenses involved with decommissioning the rigs and still keep the structures for reefs. If I remember correctly, the top part of the structure down to 80' has to be removed. It can be set on the sea floor next to the remaining structure. There are some other requirements, but once they are satisfied, the feds assume responsibility of the reef from that point on. It does not continue to be a liability for the oil companies.

They are hiring a new coordinator for the rigs to reef program so maybe the ball is getting rolling, we can hope

https://my.usajobs.gov/GetJob/ViewDetails/337073800

[BROWN FIN]

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Found this at SAMs today. 2 12" snapper for under $20. But remember that during the 27 day season the recreational angler catches almost as much as the commercial fisherman catches that fish all year. I do understand they need to make a living nor do I have a problem with commercial fisherman. Just thinking its way cheeper to go to SAMs.


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