Trolling the ship channel?

[Jordan]

Originally Posted by AceArcher

Dang dude... i popped you an extra bag an errythang....

***?

here, you can have it back......

[southLA]

Something about this thread has changed since I left....lol

[MathGeek]

I wrote:

Employers and insurers should have complete freedom with regard to their drug testing policies.

AA replied:

Exactly where in the libertarian's platform do you see that they intend to be the new "Thought Police"? Could you please point it out?

Goooh advocated in this very thread for drug testing by private employers to continue, just as it does now. Presumably this means with all the government intrusion and Dept. of Labor regulations currently in force.

I advocate for something different. Real liberty. Just as any EMPLOYEE can currently quit (assuming no contract obligations otherwise) if their EMPLOYER refuses to voluntarily submit to a drug test requested by the EMPLOYEE or if the EMPLOYER tests positive, real liberty would allow employers to require testing of employees at will, with refusal to test or testing positive taken as grounds for immediate dismissal without all the federal government oversight and regulation that currently exists. Libertarians want smaller government and less regulation, right?

Likewise AceArcher has advocated universal healthcare in this very thread. Presumably this means insurance must be provided to all, regardless of their drug use. In contrast, I think the true libertarian position would be that any insurance company can decide to cancel insurance or charge more for drug users.

Please note that I make a distinction between "libertarian" as a political philosophy and "Libertarian" as a US political party.

[AceArcher]

Originally Posted by MathGeek

I wrote:

Employers and insurers should have complete freedom with regard to their drug testing policies.

AA replied:

Exactly where in the libertarian's platform do you see that they intend to be the new "Thought Police"? Could you please point it out?

Goooh advocated in this very thread for drug testing by private employers to continue, just as it does now. Presumably this means with all the government intrusion and Dept. of Labor regulations currently in force.

I advocate for something different. Real liberty. Just as any EMPLOYEE can currently quit (assuming no contract obligations otherwise) if their EMPLOYER refuses to voluntarily submit to a drug test requested by the EMPLOYEE or if the EMPLOYER tests positive, real liberty would allow employers to require testing of employees at will, with refusal to test or testing positive taken as grounds for immediate dismissal without all the federal government oversight and regulation that currently exists. Libertarians want smaller government and less regulation, right?

Likewise AceArcher has advocated universal healthcare in this very thread. Presumably this means insurance must be provided to all, regardless of their drug use. In contrast, I think the true libertarian position would be that any insurance company can decide to cancel insurance or charge more for drug users.

Please note that I make a distinction between "libertarian" as a political philosophy and "Libertarian" as a US political party.

Nice.... glad to see you came around and managed to disparage me.... I was beginning to lose faith in your skills.

I think if you re-read the actual post that i made you can see that i pretty clearly stated that it was an opinion of mine in which i diverged from the LP parties position...

[AceArcher]

Originally Posted by MathGeek

I wrote:

Employers and insurers should have complete freedom with regard to their drug testing policies.

AA replied:

Exactly where in the libertarian's platform do you see that they intend to be the new "Thought Police"? Could you please point it out?

Goooh advocated in this very thread for drug testing by private employers to continue, just as it does now. Presumably this means with all the government intrusion and Dept. of Labor regulations currently in force.

I advocate for something different. Real liberty. Just as any EMPLOYEE can currently quit (assuming no contract obligations otherwise) if their EMPLOYER refuses to voluntarily submit to a drug test requested by the EMPLOYEE or if the EMPLOYER tests positive, real liberty would allow employers to require testing of employees at will, with refusal to test or testing positive taken as grounds for immediate dismissal without all the federal government oversight and regulation that currently exists. Libertarians want smaller government and less regulation, right?

Likewise AceArcher has advocated universal healthcare in this very thread. Presumably this means insurance must be provided to all, regardless of their drug use. In contrast, I think the true libertarian position would be that any insurance company can decide to cancel insurance or charge more for drug users.

Please note that I make a distinction between "libertarian" as a political philosophy and "Libertarian" as a US political party.

Wait a second.... "if their EMPLOYER refuses to voluntarily submit to a drug test requested by the EMPLOYEE or if the EMPLOYER tests positive"

Exactly who is taking the drugs here??????????? Those damned pothead employeers!!!!!

[Clampy]

I can't believe I fished through all this today. This is great.


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[AceArcher]

Originally Posted by Clampy

I can't believe I fished through all this today. This is great.


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That's a low blow man......

why you have to cut me so deep!

[southLA]

I may just be in college and be around it more, but the movement seems to be building steam. I don't smoke the herb, just an observation

[Goooh]

If you re read this thread really well, and link posts to the so called traits of potheads, MG fits the bill perfectly.

[Clampy]

Originally Posted by Goooh

If you re read this thread really well, and link posts to the so called traits of potheads, MG fits the bill perfectly.

Shhhh he just threatened to bring out the big guns........ Miss Smalls !'


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[AceArcher]

Originally Posted by Goooh

If you re read this thread really well, and link posts to the so called traits of potheads, MG fits the bill perfectly.

I'm telling ya!!!

I mean look at that GRIN... that's a pot smoker's grin if i ever did see one.

Lol

In all seriousness nice family MG. I really would love to hear more about the Halibut.

[MathGeek]

Originally Posted by AceArcher

In all seriousness nice family MG. I really would love to hear more about the Halibut.

Alaska. That pic is from the Gulf of Alaska just off the Kenai Peninsula. We spent a few days in Kenai and then went to Seward for the remainder of a two week trip. I like the Seward and Resurrection Bay area a lot better than the Kenai Peninsula. The fishing was better, the restaurants were better, the motels and cabins were better, and the guides were better.

Everyone and his brother makes a living from tourism in the Kenai Peninsula, and everyone is a guide. It's a real mixed bag quality wise.

Resurrection Bay is the most beautiful place on earth, and Seward is a small port town on the Bay. The Marina fish cleaning stations are really hopping every afternoon in the Summer with the head boats and the guides returning with their catches. You can go out and talk to the customers and the boat captains and pick a guide or head boat that matches what you want to do.

For halibut, the boats head for deep water, 200-400'. The current is strong, so you attach a 1-4 lb lead weight to your line and let down your line to the bottom and then reel it back in just a tad so your bait is close to, but not resting on the bottom. The bait is cut fish either brought out frozen or freshly caught and cut up. The halibut in the picture were caught near Kenai. We caught some bigger ones out from Seward. You can see the trolling rods in the background. We were trolling (unsuccessfully) for salmon on the ride in. We got into the salmon later in a trip in Resurrection Bay.

The bigger halibut are loads of fun to catch. One of the mates gaffs the bigger fish after a big long fight. Then the boats have almost a ceremony where you set the fish on top of the fish box and whack them in the head with a billy club to euthanize them so they don't suffer a slow death in the box. We caught some really interesting bycatch also, lingcod, seabass, etc.

We fished four times in the two week trip and brought home enough fish for a year. Great times and good eats.

[MathGeek]

Originally Posted by AceArcher

I mean look at that GRIN... that's a pot smoker's grin if i ever did see one.

Maybe I'm smiling because I don't smoke dope!

From http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/1...453.x/abstract


Results.  Of the 8,650 who answered the questions about cannabis use, 754 (8.7%) reported cannabis use in the previous year with 126 (1.5%) reporting daily use, 126 reported (1.5%) weekly use, and 502 (5.8%) reported use less often than weekly. After adjusting for demographic factors, daily cannabis use compared with no use was associated with an increased likelihood of reporting two or more sexual partners in the previous year in both men (adjusted odds ratio 2.08, 95% confidence interval 1.11–3.89; P = 0.02) and women (2.58, 1.08–6.18; P = 0.03). Daily cannabis use was associated with reporting a diagnosis of a sexually transmissible infection in women but not men (7.19, 1.28–40.31; P = 0.02 and 1.45, 0.17–12.42; P = 0.74, respectively). Frequency of cannabis use was unrelated to sexual problems in women but daily use vs. no use was associated with increased reporting among men of an inability to reach orgasm (3.94, 1.71–9.07; P < 0.01), reaching orgasm too quickly (2.68, 1.41–5.08; P < 0.01), and too slowly (2.05, 1.02–4.12; P = 0.04).

Conclusions.  Frequent cannabis use is associated with higher numbers of sexual partners for both men and women, and difficulties in men's ability to orgasm as desired. Smith AMA, Ferris JA, Simpson JM, Shelley J, Pitts M, and Richters J. Cannabis use and sexual health. J Sex Med 2010;7:787–793.

[AceArcher]

Originally Posted by MathGeek

Maybe I'm smiling because I don't smoke dope!

From http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/1...453.x/abstract


Results.  Of the 8,650 who answered the questions about cannabis use, 754 (8.7%) reported cannabis use in the previous year with 126 (1.5%) reporting daily use, 126 reported (1.5%) weekly use, and 502 (5.8%) reported use less often than weekly. After adjusting for demographic factors, daily cannabis use compared with no use was associated with an increased likelihood of reporting two or more sexual partners in the previous year in both men (adjusted odds ratio 2.08, 95% confidence interval 1.11–3.89; P = 0.02) and women (2.58, 1.08–6.18; P = 0.03). Daily cannabis use was associated with reporting a diagnosis of a sexually transmissible infection in women but not men (7.19, 1.28–40.31; P = 0.02 and 1.45, 0.17–12.42; P = 0.74, respectively). Frequency of cannabis use was unrelated to sexual problems in women but daily use vs. no use was associated with increased reporting among men of an inability to reach orgasm (3.94, 1.71–9.07; P < 0.01), reaching orgasm too quickly (2.68, 1.41–5.08; P < 0.01), and too slowly (2.05, 1.02–4.12; P = 0.04).

Conclusions.  Frequent cannabis use is associated with higher numbers of sexual partners for both men and women, and difficulties in men's ability to orgasm as desired. Smith AMA, Ferris JA, Simpson JM, Shelley J, Pitts M, and Richters J. Cannabis use and sexual health. J Sex Med 2010;7:787–793.

Nah.. not buying the silly science.. that's absolutely a dope fiends grin

[AceArcher]

I am fairly sure miss smalls is his daughter

[silver_snipe]

Wow what a thread.

BTW I am VERY opposed to socialized medicine.

Now can I get in on the popcorn rotation?

[AceArcher]

Originally Posted by silver_snipe

Wow what a thread.

BTW I am VERY opposed to socialized medicine.

Now can I get in on the popcorn rotation?

Cool.. you are allowed an opinion.

but might i ask.... WHY?

Is the current joke of a system that was written by the insurance and pharma industry better?

Insurance company profits have SOARED in the last 6 years. In particular as we neared the start date of Obamajokeacare the insurance company stocks on average almost tripled.

Like i said earlier, either it needs to run in a true free market style with government cronyism out of the equation. Or socialize it and make it work that way... either / or... something needs to be done.


ps... here's your bag of popcorn... hit jordan up for some cajun spice to sprinkle on it if your into that.

[meaux fishing]

Originally Posted by silver_snipe

Now can I get in on the popcorn rotation?

would that be pop, pop, pass to the left or the right?

[silver_snipe]

Basically I don't want government controlling my healthcare and it breeds mediocrity

[AceArcher]

Originally Posted by silver_snipe

Basically I don't want government controlling my healthcare and it breeds mediocrity

Most of europe would disagree with you.... but as long as we can agree that some type of major reform is needed i have no beef.