Bl rant

[jchief]

Originally Posted by T-TOP

All of the local industies that share the ship channel, share the cost of dredging the channel. citgo, conoco, PPG, LNG etc. When I say dredging I mean maintaining the depth of the channel for ship traffic. The large dredge barges that we see every year in the channel dredging. I am not sure about the widening of the channel.

This is correct.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by jchief

This is correct.

That is incorrect, COE has sole responsibility of all waterways in our area; dredging is one. You boys bash CCA on one thread and want them to get involved on another, please make up your minds on this. CCA is either satan reincarnate or Moses parting the seas. No organization,church,corporation,wife or boss is going to march lock step with everyone all the time. Those who don't support CCA now never did or will in the future. So many here think they know what's going on but very few actually have a clue.

[mr crab]

I think a combination of adams and bjqx original points are the best imo....get cca involved, they have the political connections to apply pressure in the right places. Its all about publicizing the issue correctly. while rocking the walls seems like an unrealistic project to most entities, the industrial giants profiting from the channel spend that kinda dough on golf outings. First get the politics right, then get the money right.

[mr crab]

the petroleum industry dollars can solve problem nothing else can if they wanna get on board.

[mstulb]

Weirs decrease baitfish and shrimp, which in return harms fish #'s. W.C., Sabine, Trinity, Baffin, Corpus all have free flowing marshes. It blows my mind how you can shut off the migration of shrimp and finfish from the breading habitat with a private weir system ON A PUBLIC LAKE!!!!!!

Dredging ruined spawning habitat, natural oyster reefs for feeding, and was completely unnecessary. Why in the world was this allowed at a time when pasturized oysters have taken over the market( mainly due to lack of risk to consumer). It was not like there was a drastic increase in oyster demand or lack of supply so why.? It makes no fiscal sense on a lake that is funded threw licensing by recreational fisherman.?

["W"]

Originally Posted by mstulb

Weirs decrease baitfish and shrimp, which in return harms fish #'s. W.C., Sabine, Trinity, Baffin, Corpus all have free flowing marshes. It blows my mind how you can shut off the migration of shrimp and finfish from the breading habitat with a private weir system ON A PUBLIC LAKE!!!!!!

Dredging ruined spawning habitat, natural oyster reefs for feeding, and was completely unnecessary. Why in the world was this allowed at a time when pasturized oysters have taken over the market( mainly due to lack of risk to consumer). It was not like there was a drastic increase in oyster demand or lack of supply so why.? It makes no fiscal sense on a lake that is funded threw licensing by recreational fisherman.?

[BassYakR]

Originally Posted by mstulb

Weirs decrease baitfish and shrimp, which in return harms fish #'s. W.C., Sabine, Trinity, Baffin, Corpus all have free flowing marshes. It blows my mind how you can shut off the migration of shrimp and finfish from the breading habitat with a private weir system ON A PUBLIC LAKE!!!!!!

Dredging ruined spawning habitat, natural oyster reefs for feeding, and was completely unnecessary. Why in the world was this allowed at a time when pasturized oysters have taken over the market( mainly due to lack of risk to consumer). It was not like there was a drastic increase in oyster demand or lack of supply so why.? It makes no fiscal sense on a lake that is funded threw licensing by recreational fisherman.?

BOOM!

[Smalls]

Originally Posted by mstulb

Weirs decrease baitfish and shrimp, which in return harms fish #'s. W.C., Sabine, Trinity, Baffin, Corpus all have free flowing marshes. It blows my mind how you can shut off the migration of shrimp and finfish from the breading habitat with a private weir system ON A PUBLIC LAKE!!!!!!

Just FYI, the weirs aren't private. There may be private land behind them, but they aren't private.

Those were constructed and managed by the USFWS for over 2 decades. I know the person that wrote the management plan (that was not followed for many years), and he was a FWS employee at the time. The original plan called for the weirs to be managed in a way that maintained the marshes behind the weirs and aallowed for ingress and egress of the nekton so that the life cycles of shrimp, crabs and fish would not be too heavily impacted.

[BuckingFastard]

i like that guy... no homo

["W"]

Wedgion grass 4life

[Reefman]

I have to agree that rebuilding the wash-out/ 9 mile cut area along with the rebuild cuts into West cove (both) from the Ship channel would be #1 priority. Second would be a band on dredging oysters....only tonging allowed by local oystermen..no out of state. Re-seeding of historic oyster beds with no harvesting for at least 4 years. Get the lake to what it was 15 years ago. With decrease salinity coming from the ship channel the weirs can be left open for longer periods without harm to marshes. This can be done with the majority of fishermen agreeing and present it to WLF along with endorsements from CCA. Grass roots effort must start from us...who's gonna head it up?

[Jadams]

Originally Posted by Reefman

I have to agree that rebuilding the wash-out/ 9 mile cut area along with the rebuild cuts into West cove (both) from the Ship channel would be #1 priority. Second would be a band on dredging oysters....only tonging allowed by local oystermen..no out of state. Re-seeding of historic oyster beds with no harvesting for at least 4 years. Get the lake to what it was 15 years ago. With decrease salinity coming from the ship channel the weirs can be left open for longer periods without harm to marshes. This can be done with the majority of fishermen agreeing and present it to WLF along with endorsements from CCA. Grass roots effort must start from us...who's gonna head it up?

I vote for the resident midget


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[AubreyLaHaye458]

Originally Posted by Jadams

I vote for the resident midget


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I second that motion


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[Jadams]

Although we will need a translator to interpret his spelling and grammar


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[Reefman]

Originally Posted by Jadams

Although we will need a translator to interpret his spelling and grammar


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Ratdog!

Seriously, a start up committee of 5 LOCAL fishermen, guides carry the most influential knowledge along with anyone working with State biologist in the BL estuary; along with local fishermen who have political connections. The involvement of CCA would help pave the way.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Reefman

Ratdog!

Seriously, a start up committee of 5 LOCAL fishermen, guides carry the most influential knowledge along with anyone working with State biologist in the BL estuary; along with local fishermen who have political connections. The involvement of CCA would help pave the way.

Why reinvent CCA? We don't publish what we do behind the scenes before it happens. Govt/industry consults CCA, we consult guides & members affected and make suggestions. Y'all can't agree on the best *** wipe but always agree that CCA is the bad guy all the time.

[Bumfisherman]

Thanks Raymond. Please ask yourselves this question. Who has done more than CCA? Although we may not agree with everything that CCA endorses the bottom line is that CCA has done more in our lifetimes to benefit our fisheries than any other group or organization. I live in Texas and am involved here and I know first hand that they listen. There are great minds here and all you need to do is get off the keyboard and get involved!

[mr crab]

Originally Posted by Bumfisherman

Thanks Raymond. Please ask yourselves this question. Who has done more than CCA? Although we may not agree with everything that CCA endorses the bottom line is that CCA has done more in our lifetimes to benefit our fisheries than any other group or organization. I live in Texas and am involved here and I know first hand that they listen. There are great minds here and all you need to do is get off the keyboard and get involved!

Did you go to the meeting at the port Arthur public library about the proposed trout and flounder regulations? Nothing voiced at that meeting was represented by cca when it came time to support or align against the proposals that just cut our trout limits in half. I am very involved and have been for quite some time. The rich elitist fly fishermen from the lower Laguna madre have finally convinced the majority of joe six packs through the aid of cca that a 5 trout limit is what makes sense. Too many blindly follow anything cca supports because of a few good things they did 20years ago.

[noodle creek]

Originally Posted by Raymond

Why reinvent CCA? We don't publish what we do behind the scenes before it happens. Govt/industry consults CCA, we consult guides & members affected and make suggestions. Y'all can't agree on the best *** wipe but always agree that CCA is the bad guy all the time.

Consult guides? Where was that on the trout issue. Oh wait, they listened to stansel because he was basically the only one who wanted a reduced limit, therefore he was agreeing with a few select CCA members.

Triple tail? if supporting the recreational fishermen is what they stand for, why not send out a survey on this issue? CCA knew where most recreational fishermen stood on this issue, but completely disregarded it.

Yes the CCA is all we have, but they would be better off doing nothing than playing around with some of the issues on their agenda.

If Cajunmade is right in the other threads, CCA is by no means doing themselves any favors anymore.

What is the deal with refusing to show where money is spent? Still haven't heard a CCA guy answer this question.

I would like to have an organization that we could trust and count on, but CCA continues to make that hard for lots of recreational fishermen.

[Top Dawg]

CCA said themselves they were lobbying for the 3tail restrictions. Not sure who's on the koolaide here.