Weirs Closed

[Jadams]

Can u show me acreage loss over a time span pre weirs and post weirs I bet u the loss average is the same with the exception of hurricane years


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[Jadams]

Who owns the weir?? If it ain't federal I might know a guy that can do us all a favor taking donations for lawyer.... Can't get in too much trouble for criminal damage to property 1 yr probation and some restitution.


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[Jadams]

Can't block off a navigable water anyways.


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["W"]

USo Smalls since you don't do this anymore what was they paying you per hour to plant and study grass? $7.50 -$10 an hour?
Do you realize Jarred and Me have other careers that we make great livings doing plus we guide damn near all our days off and we are making from $65-70 per hour to fish?

So we have great motivation to be concerned about our Lake and the future but we are NOT dumb and know a lot more about this system then a guy out looking at grass all day!

[Smalls]

Originally Posted by "W"

USo Smalls since you don't do this anymore what was they paying you per hour to plant and study grass? $7.50 -$10 an hour?
Do you realize Jarred and Me have other careers that we make great livings doing plus we guide damn near all our days off and we are making from $65-70 per hour to fish?

So we have great motivation to be concerned about our Lake and the future but we are NOT dumb and know a lot more about this system then a guy out looking at grass all day!

What does it make a difference to you what I made? Good for ya'll, I still don't understand why ya'll feel as though I'm disrespecting you.

Where have I said anything to the effect that ya'll are wrong? Where have I said that you don't know what you're talking about.

I'm merely presenting information on a part of the ecosystem that you, Waltrip, continually avoid openly discussing. You continually avoided my questions to you, because it didn't fit your agenda to answer them.

There is no open discussion on the marsh with you. It has always been, and will always be, a one-sided discussion with you because you will not listen to anything anyone else says that is to the contrary.

Do you deny that?

[Jadams]

Jamaica grass stops 14 ft hurricane tide surge... That's all I've learned today!


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["W"]

Originally Posted by Jadams

Jamaica grass stops 14 ft hurricane tide surge... That's all I've learned today!


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And a guy who spent 3 summers picking grass has 50 years of expert knowledge of weir marsh

People who spend over half a year on water are clueless

[Smalls]

Originally Posted by "W"

And a guy who spent 3 summers picking grass has 50 years of expert knowledge of weir marsh

People who spend over half a year on water are clueless

You blow **** way out of proportion? Where have I ever said that? Find where I've said that. When have I ever said I was an "expert"? I haven't. Never tried to, just merely speaking from research and experience.

What makes you an expert on the marsh? Because you fish over half a year? How does that make you an expert on the marsh?

Funny that you want limits based on research, but yet when someone is speaking from research on a topic, its not true.

[Jadams]

I just want some dynamite donations!


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[MathGeek]

Originally Posted by Jadams

I just want some dynamite donations!


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Let's not even joke about this.

Blowing up any water control structure will be treated as an act of domestic terrorism. Being found illegally possessing explosives anywhere in the Calcasieu Estuary will be suspected as such.

How far up your butt do you want the FBI and BATFE?

Blowing stuff up without all the proper permissions and permits will be treated as a federal matter. Any damage that might result to a NWR will be tacked on as additional charges in addition to the explosives violations and domestic terrorism prosecutions.

Are you under illusions that this kinda crap is not exactly what Eric Holder's justice department is waiting to pounce on?

Please, please don't go there.

[Jadams]

Originally Posted by MathGeek

Let's not even joke about this.



Blowing up any water control structure will be treated as an act of domestic terrorism. Being found illegally possessing explosives anywhere in the Calcasieu Estuary will be suspected as such.



How far up your butt do you want the FBI and BATFE?



Blowing stuff up without all the proper permissions and permits will be treated as a federal matter. Any damage that might result to a NWR will be tacked on as additional charges in addition to the explosives violations and domestic terrorism prosecutions.



Are you under illusions that this kinda crap is not exactly what Eric Holder's justice department is waiting to pounce on?



Please, please don't go there.

So I take it ur a no go on a donation?



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[Jadams]

Show me where the weir has done anything to land loss!!! Remember scientific data speaks more than guides a that see it everydat


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[Smalls]

Originally Posted by Jadams

Show me where the weir has done anything to land loss!!! Remember scientific data speaks more than guides a that see it everydat


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The closest I can get to that right now is a land/water analysis on the entire Calcasieu/Sabine Watershed. This is from data available on the CRMS Spatial viewer (http://lacoast.gov/crms_viewer2/Default.aspx), so if you want to check my numbers, please do so.

The total land area in the watershed in 1956 was 477,929 acres.

The total land area in 1988 (last year pre-weirs) was 370,089 acres.

The total land area in 2008 (last year of quantification) was 344,585.

So from 1956 to 1988, the rate of loss was approximately 3370 acres per year. From 1988 to 2008, the rate of loss was approximately 1275 acres per year.

That is across the entire watershed though. I will see if I can dig up some of the maps I've found that show the differences in land loss, but I'm not sure if I've ever come across any that just specifically analyze the cameron-creole.

[Jadams]

Where's the research??? U learned different types of grass making 15$ hr planting grass??? Show me an acreage land loss rate pre weir and post weir.... That's research... We don't need dr. Zeus encyclopedia on types of grasses


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[Reggoh]

I'm just going to throw this out there because no one has really mentioned it...

Could it be that the erosion in the lower ship channel (9-mile/supercut) area over time has increased the need to keep the weirs closed more over time?

Maybe the weirs were a proactive approach to land loss and as the erosion has gotten worse and worse over the years there is a greater and greater need to keep the weirs closed more often. Does anyone have any average salinity reports from both sides of the weirs from when they were first constructed until current dates? I think that would be interesting to see and add a lot to understanding the issues here.

Either way, It sounds like this is a very complex problem that isn't going to be fixed with dynamite.

[Jadams]

Originally Posted by Reggoh

I'm just going to throw this out there because no one has really mentioned it...

Could it be that the erosion in the lower ship channel (9-mile/supercut) area over time has increased the need to keep the weirs closed more over time?

Maybe the weirs were a proactive approach to land loss and as the erosion has gotten worse and worse over the years there is a greater and greater need to keep the weirs closed more often. Does anyone have any average salinity reports from both sides of the weirs from when they were first constructed until current dates? I think that would be interesting to see and add a lot to understanding the issues here.

Either way, It sounds like this is a very complex problem that isn't going to be fixed with dynamite.

Tannerite maybe?


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[Jadams]

Need 2008 to 2014 to make any kinda conclusion


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[Jadams]

What happened in 88 to prevent land loss???


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["W"]

How come CCA does not get involved with erosion or marsh restoration projects like it's mission statement says?

CCA has never helped on erosion problem on Big Lake in there history as far as I know?

Can a CCA sunshine pumper help us here get an answer? Or is it because they rather place a half million reef and call it good ( easy work load)

[Jadams]

Who's buddy owned the construction company???


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