Heating up on new fees

[mr crab]

Originally Posted by MathGeek

Not completely. On many Colorado waters, you need to pay a fee and get an inspection to put your boat in the water. There is one booth to pay the fee before you get to the boat ramp and then a second booth where you pay the fee. During the off season and after hours when the booths are closed, the boat ramp is gated off and it's a crime to put your boat in the water. I've also been to a number of lakes in southern states that required paying an additional fee to put a boat in the water (usually $4-$10 each day).

I've never seen or heard of a governmental entity in Louisiana charging a fee to access the water, though private ramps (like Hebert's and Spicer's) reasonably do charge a fee. A number of places in Florida do have access fees for public waters, with the fee scale depending on one's residency status.

So? What does that have to do with the reciprocity of non resident fishing licenses between tx&la. Tx don't charge out of staters anything extra to launch. Just buy a license and go fishing...just like la does. I'm not connecting the dots

[MathGeek]

Originally Posted by mr crab

So? What does that have to do with the reciprocity of non resident fishing licenses between tx&la. Tx don't charge out of staters anything extra to launch. Just buy a license and go fishing...just like la does. I'm not connecting the dots

You were asking/asserting about "any state" (your words) not just Texas. I've never fished in Tx, so I have no direct knowledge, but I have fished in Colorado and many southern states so I was able to speak about their additional launch fees.

By advocating the increase of saltwater license fees for LA residents by 136%, but giving non-residents a pass on fee increases, CCA (a TX dominated organization) is clearly shifting more of the burden to LA residents and protecting Texans from paying their fair share. Texans may be paying CCA lobbyists, but at least they can't vote in Louisiana.

[meaux fishing]

Originally Posted by MathGeek

You were asking/asserting about "any state" (your words) not just Texas. I've never fished in Tx, so I have no direct knowledge, but I have fished in Colorado and many southern states so I was able to speak about their additional launch fees.

By advocating the increase of saltwater license fees for LA residents by 136%, but giving non-residents a pass on fee increases, CCA (a TX dominated organization) is clearly shifting more of the burden to LA residents and protecting Texans from paying their fair share. Texans may be paying CCA lobbyists, but at least they can't vote in Louisiana.

There are very few places on the east side of the state that dont have launch fees, that is because it is a business and you are launching on private property. They pay to maintain the launch. The west side of the state has as nice a public launch and facilities as I have ever seen. I am guessing this is thanks to casino and industry money. I've never launched a boat in Colorado, but in any other place I have launched a boat, fresh or salt, they collect fees to pay for the maintenance of the launch and surrounding area.

So youre saying you want to charge people from out of state more, and make them pay a launch fee when residents dont? who will collect this fee? Will the money generated from this fee be able to pay their salary? Lets discourage people from out of state from coming over, buying gas, eating at restaurants, buying fishing tackle, etc...

[Reggoh]

You are only talking about the advantages for the Texas resident. Don't forget the advantages for the local economy like the money they spend at hotels, casinos, convenience stores, etc... And yes I know guys that live in Orange, Port Arthur, etc are just coming for the day and probably don't spend as much but it's not a totally one way street... you have to consider all sides.

[mr crab]

mg...out-of-staters already do pay a much higher fee for hunting and fishing licenses than residents. its always been that way. and might I add that la resident fishing and hunting licenses are among the lowest in the nation

[MathGeek]

Originally Posted by mr crab

mg...out-of-staters already do pay a much higher fee for hunting and fishing licenses than residents. its always been that way. and might I add that la resident fishing and hunting licenses are among the lowest in the nation

God Bless Louisiana. Don't be hating 'cause we are the Sportsman's Paradise. The natural resources of each state are legally owned by the citizens of that state. Texans should have to pay.

I know non-residents pay more, because I've paid the $90 from 2000-2013 when I was not a resident. I deserved to pay more to share in the rich blessings of the kind, generous, and magnanimous people of Louisiana.

[mr crab]

tx non resident all water fishing license is $68/year.....La non-resident all water is $90/year............tx resident all water is $40.....la resident all water is $15....quit crying bruh...its $15....and La is already hitting out of staters harder than most states.

[MathGeek]

Originally Posted by mr crab

tx non resident all water fishing license is $68/year.....La non-resident all water is $90/year........

A bit of math:

So the LA NR license cost amounts to $6 per speck you can keep each day.
The TX NR license cost amounts to $13 per speck you can keep each day.

The LA NR license cost amounts to about $0.25 per bull redfish you can take home in an entire year.

The TX NR license cost amounts to $68 per bull redfish you can take home each year.

Supply and demand. Out of staters will pay to fish in Louisiana because the fishing is so good and the limits are so high. Far fewer non-residents are interesting in paying to fish in Texas.

[slickfish]

Originally Posted by MathGeek

A bit of math:

So the LA NR license cost amounts to $6 per speck you can keep each day.
The TX NR license cost amounts to $13 per speck you can keep each day.

The LA NR license cost amounts to about $0.25 per bull redfish you can take home in an entire year.

The TX NR license cost amounts to $68 per bull redfish you can take home each year.

Supply and demand. Out of staters will pay to fish in Louisiana because the fishing is so good and the limits are so high. Far fewer non-residents are interesting in paying to fish in Texas.

Well you boasted about la just enough to call bs. Why would you want to promote something that is not the truth? On the gulf coast what does la have to offer out of towners Bl and Venice? I'd put money on it that Texas has more out of state tourism from Sabine to Galveston than the whole state of la. Think your just running your bubble gums to keep pace with the lake midget.

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[Goooh]

Originally Posted by slickfish

Well you boasted about la just enough to call bs. Why would you want to promote something that is not the truth? On the gulf coast what does la have to offer out of towners Bl and Venice? I'd put money on it that Texas has more out of state tourism from Sabine to Galveston than the whole state of la. Think your just running your bubble gums to keep pace with the lake midget.

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This guy is mad.

[meaux fishing]

Originally Posted by slickfish

Well you boasted about la just enough to call bs. Why would you want to promote something that is not the truth? On the gulf coast what does la have to offer out of towners Bl and Venice? I'd put money on it that Texas has more out of state tourism from Sabine to Galveston than the whole state of la. Think your just running your bubble gums to keep pace with the lake midget.

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lol...youre a misguided lil guy

[MathGeek]

Originally Posted by slickfish

Well you boasted about la just enough to call bs. Why would you want to promote something that is not the truth? On the gulf coast what does la have to offer out of towners Bl and Venice? I'd put money on it that Texas has more out of state tourism from Sabine to Galveston than the whole state of la. Think your just running your bubble gums to keep pace with the lake midget.

I've fished LA, NY, OH, MI, CO, NC, GA, SC, AK, FL, and maybe a few I'm forgetting. There is nothing like Louisiana. Nothing even close. The waters teem with life. I've never seen anything even close. It is awesome beyond description.

It's more than Big Lake and Venice. It's the whole coast from Sabine to the Rigolets. I'll draw your particular attention to the area around Port Fourchon and Grand Isle. There's a spot just SE of E Timbalier Island where my brother says, "75% of the fish I've caught in my life I've caught in this spot" and he's only fished it a handful of times. I prefer Belle Pass and Caminada Pass, because I like the big ones.

I could live anywhere in the US, but I choose Louisiana, because the fishing is awesome, and Louisiana still loves liberty.

[slickfish]

Originally Posted by MathGeek

I've fished LA, NY, OH, MI, CO, NC, GA, SC, AK, FL, and maybe a few I'm forgetting. There is nothing like Louisiana. Nothing even close. The waters teem with life. I've never seen anything even close. It is awesome beyond description.

It's more than Big Lake and Venice. It's the whole coast from Sabine to the Rigolets. I'll draw your particular attention to the area around Port Fourchon and Grand Isle. There's a spot just SE of E Timbalier Island where my brother says, "75% of the fish I've caught in my life I've caught in this spot" and he's only fished it a handful of times. I prefer Belle Pass and Caminada Pass, because I like the big ones.

I could live anywhere in the US, but I choose Louisiana, because the fishing is awesome, and Louisiana still loves liberty.

I'm not saying that's not true but when you say:

Supply and demand. Out of staters will pay to fish in Louisiana because the fishing is so good and the limits are so high. Far fewer non-residents are interesting in paying to fish in Texas.

If you've been to all the places you say you have then you know that's not the truth. Just calling bs on bs that's all.

[mr crab]

LA is definitely the sportsmans paradise tho.....heading across the border at 3 today to slang some of them oh so tasty LA specks....SL4L

[mr crab]

mg....you need to go fishing too man. you been on fire lately with the oysters and cca and license fees. need to get your line tight and remember what all this is about

[MathGeek]

Originally Posted by mr crab

mg....you need to go fishing too man. you been on fire lately with the oysters and cca and license fees. need to get your line tight and remember what all this is about

I agree. My travel and consulting schedule is keeping me from the salt life until late May.

[mr crab]

Don't keep bulls...not an issue....and I wonder what the real numbers on the non resident licenses sold per state are? I know a lot of snow birds winter around corpus? Either way...the original point I made is valid.....the non-resident licenses in LA are higher than TX, and the resident licenses in LA are cheaper than TX. For me personally, it really doesn't matter what either license costs because the license is by far the cheapest part of the game. I will not quit my passion over a license fee, PERIOD.

["W"]

Big Lake SPR was around 18-19 when the last SPR was released

Which is above

[Duck Butter]

Originally Posted by "W"

Big Lake SPR was around 18-19 when the last SPR was released

Which is above

Previously you said

Last word I got on SPR# see dates

Thanks for your interest in spotted seatrout management. As you
are probably aware it takes several years after regulatory changes are
in place before those changes can be accurately measured in an
assessment. We are currently compiling any and all new information that has been collected since our last full stock assessment in 2005 with plans to complete a new assessment in late 2009 or early 2010. We will be happy to provide you with those results as they become available.
Thanks again.



The Department's adopted a conservation standard is 18% static
SPR per biological examination of stock, as outlined below in the 2005
assessment. What this means is that we believe there is a possible risk
of adversely impacting recruitment if SPR is allowed to remain below
18%. In order to avoid going below the threshold, the department has
adopted the following conservation standard. For spotted seatrout,
fishing regulations should not allow cumulative fishing mortality rates
to reduce the spawning potential of a cohort on average below 18% static
SPR. This conservation standard is designed to stabilize the spawning
potential of a cohort at or above the median level found in the 1980's,
where existing evidence indicates that the spawning stock had not been
reduced to a level that would adversely impact recruitment.



The 2004 status of the stock, defined as the static SPR, is
14.5%, a substantial decline from the 20.9% SPR reported in 2000. This
is below the conservation standard of 18% described above.



Current assessment in 2005, with data through 2004. Static SPR
of 14.5%. We are currently in process of reviewing, updating and
modifying this assessment to include new information sources and
assessment methods.

Speckmeister asked

"W"....that's old data....correct?

W answered:

Yes last one they sent, had to dig through emails to find it


They will not give 2010/2011 data

Where did you get the 18-19 SPR from? What years



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["W"]

Originally Posted by Duck Butter

Previously you said



Speckmeister asked


W answered:




Where did you get the 18-19 SPR from? What years



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Last SPR which was 2004 Big Lake was 18-19 from WLF just Big Lake