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[irokcj5]

Originally Posted by cgoods17

i dont think people are actually worried about the gays and how they impact our lives... i bet people are more worried about how the government and media are involved in this issue.

DING DING DING DING!!!! WE GOT A WINNER!!!!!

[mcjaredsandwich]

Just think if Government got out of the way in general regarding Marriage (which it shouldn't have got involved with in the first place) we wouldn't be having this situation. Make Marriage a privatized contract between two people and have government mandated registration done away with. We shouldn't have to pay money to get married for a government to tell us if it is ok or not.

[mcjaredsandwich]

http://time.com/3939374/rand-paul-ga...t/?xid=fbshare

[MathGeek]

The Constitution delegated much to the states, including everything it does not address specifically.

Cheering when the supremes usurp the authority of states to implement your preferred policies for all 50 states in one fell swoop is foolish and ignorant. I recommend Scalia's dissenting opinion. He nails that the big issue here is not the immediate decision, but rather how five unelected elitist judges deprived millions of Americans the due democratic/republican process for states governing themselves.

http://www.businessinsider.com/scali...dissent-2015-6

[simplepeddler]

Originally Posted by MathGeek

The Constitution delegated much to the states, including everything it does not address specifically.

Cheering when the supremes usurp the authority of states to implement your preferred policies for all 50 states in one fell swoop is foolish and ignorant. I recommend Scalia's dissenting opinion. He nails that the big issue here is not the immediate decision, but rather how five unelected elitist judges deprived millions of Americans the due democratic/republican process for states governing themselves.

http://www.businessinsider.com/scali...dissent-2015-6

Exactly! But, as we saw in California of all places, the people do not want this. Which is exactly why it was pushed up to the SCOTUS.

What is amazing to me, is that they can interpet what the states "want" for health care, yet ignore what clearly the states want for same sex marraige.

[Clampy]

Why does anyone care is the real question?
Gay folks should be able to get married who cares.
Churches should not have to marry them if the don't want.
If cake bakers don't want to make a cake then they shouldn't have to and and if people shame and boycott them then so be it.

People are absolutely born gay.
But that doesn't mean that's 100%
Some might chose
Some are born
Some could go either way maybe dependent on nature/nurture

And again who cares?

If this issue really is of a concern then maybe you are stressing over the wrong things in life.

[cgoods17]

Originally Posted by Clampy

Why does anyone care is the real question?
Gay folks should be able to get married who cares.
Churches should not have to marry them if the don't want.
If cake bakers don't want to make a cake then they shouldn't have to and and if people shame and boycott them then so be it.

People are absolutely born gay.
But that doesn't mean that's 100%
Some might chose
Some are born
Some could go either way maybe dependent on nature/nurture

And again who cares?

If this issue really is of a concern then maybe you are stressing over the wrong things in life.

so you think bruce jenner was born gay and is just now figuring it out 50 years down the road? HA


and people should be worried about issues like this, why should we just turn the other cheek? its not about the gays, its about the white house being lit up like a damn rainbow.

[Clampy]

Originally Posted by cgoods17

so you think bruce jenner was born gay and is just now figuring it out 50 years down the road? HA


and people should be worried about issues like this, why should we just turn the other cheek? its not about the gays, its about the white house being lit up like a damn rainbow.

Maybe he was maybe not. Who cares what bruce jenner did.
Rainbow Whitehouse ruined your day.
Sorry
HA

[cgoods17]

Originally Posted by Clampy

Maybe he was maybe not. Who cares what bruce jenner did.
Rainbow Whitehouse ruined your day.
Sorry
HA

Yea, maybe i should be more politicaly correct and walk on eggshells so I don't offend the rainbow colored white house that you like. Our presidents name is Barrack hussein Obama for crying out loud! Cant get anymore AMERICAN than that.

[Clampy]

Originally Posted by cgoods17

Yea, maybe i should be more politicaly correct and walk on eggshells so I don't offend the rainbow colored white house that you like. Our presidents name is Barrack hussein Obama for crying out loud! Cant get anymore AMERICAN than that.

[Smalls]

My stance all along has been that until you start trying to force churches to marry gays or lesbians, I don't care. But if that day comes that you try and force the church to marry you, then I'll be up in arms. But until then, if you want equal rights and the government is going to recognize it, fine. Just keep it to yourself, like I keep my life to myself.

My thing is, all this is is the government saying they will recognize it as a CIVIL UNION. It's no different than the government recognizing a CIVIL UNION between two divorced people. As previously mentioned, the Catholic Church doesn't recognize marriages between divorced couples unless they get an annulment. I don't see anyone up in arms over two divorced people remarrying. People engage in premarital sex, which is against church teachings.

I'll never be FOR gay marriage, but I'm not going to be against a CIVIL UNION until that union tries to push the church to recognize it.

As far as business go.....I think a business owner should be able to do what he wants, but when you open your doors to the public, you have to be ready to deal with the consequences of turning someone down. There is a reason Country Clubs and other members-only establishments exist.....so that THEY can CHOOSE their clients. Now, there is also the option of OPENLY identifying yourself as a CHRISTIAN business. How many atheists do you think shop at Crossroads Bookstore in Lake Charles? Or gays for that matter? No one seems to be complaining about a Christian bookstore. Because it is what it is.

Identify yourself as a CHRISTIAN business, and you more than likely do away with the problem. If a gay or lesbian then walks in and wants you to cater to their requests, then that is their fault when you turn them down.

[MathGeek]

Originally Posted by Smalls

Identify yourself as a CHRISTIAN business, and you more than likely do away with the problem. If a gay or lesbian then walks in and wants you to cater to their requests, then that is their fault when you turn them down.

Not really. In states where gay marriage has been legal for some time, identifying as a Christian business has not prevented legal fines and threats of jail for those exerciseing conscience in refusing to participate in homosexual weddings.

Christian ministers have been threatened with jail time for refusing to officiate homosexual weddings. See:

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2014/...-weddings.html

Are you "up in arms" about this?

[Duck Butter]

Originally Posted by MathGeek

Not really. In states where gay marriage has been legal for some time, identifying as a Christian business has not prevented legal fines and threats of jail for those exerciseing conscience in refusing to participate in homosexual weddings.

Christian ministers have been threatened with jail time for refusing to officiate homosexual weddings. See:

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2014/...-weddings.html

Are you "up in arms" about this?

Read on into this article without rise colors glasses and the reason is because this is a for profit business and not a church. Therefore they have to abide by anti discrimination laws. They agreed to them when they started that business.

I wanted to get married at a church in Monroe 12 years ago but hit **** down real quick because we were not members there. They can sob that's because they are a religious institution and not a business

[duckman1911]

Originally Posted by Duck Butter

Read on into this article without rise colors glasses and the reason is because this is a for profit business and not a church. Therefore they have to abide by anti discrimination laws. They agreed to them when they started that business.

I wanted to get married at a church in Monroe 12 years ago but hit **** down real quick because we were not members there. They can sob that's because they are a religious institution and not a business

So are you saying a business should be forced to serve someone? Forgive me if I misundstand you.

[Duck Butter]

Originally Posted by duckman1911

So are you saying a business should be forced to serve someone? Forgive me if I misundstand you.

This is the link MG showed and if you actually look into it, there is some merit to it because it is a FOR profit organization and not a religious institution. IF it was a church, it would be different. The court is just upholding the law put in place for discrimination.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2014/...-weddings.html

From the link:
According to the lawsuit, the wedding chapel is registered with the state as a “religious corporation” limited to performing “one-man-one-woman marriages as defined by the Holy Bible.”

But the chapel is also registered as a for-profit business – not as a church or place of worship – and city officials said that means the owners must comply with a local nondiscrimination ordinance.

That ordinance, passed last year, prohibits discrimination based on sexual orientation, and it applies to housing, employment and public accommodation.

If you are a business owner (which this chapel is and the bakery in Oregon), you have to adhere to the laws of discrimination.

That doesn't mean you can't refuse service to someone who has no shoes, shirt, sagging pants, or drunk, or talking on cellphone, etc. You can tell them to get out.

It is what it is

[Smalls]

Originally Posted by MathGeek

Not really. In states where gay marriage has been legal for some time, identifying as a Christian business has not prevented legal fines and threats of jail for those exerciseing conscience in refusing to participate in homosexual weddings.

Christian ministers have been threatened with jail time for refusing to officiate homosexual weddings. See:

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2014/...-weddings.html

Are you "up in arms" about this?

No. Its a for-profit business. I never said identifying yourself as a CHRISTIAN business WOULD protect you. I said identifying yourself as a CHRISTIAN BUSINESS MIGHT keep people away. Doesn't mean it would. Unfortunately, there are people in this world that like to stir the pot. What ever couple went after the Chapel should be ashamed. I don't agree with the lawsuit against them, but they run a BUSINESS, not a church. Like I said, you should be able to do what you want with your business, but that is part of the reason we had the civil rights movement.....because businesses were discriminating against blacks. If you open your doors to the public, AS A BUSINESS, you have to be ready for someone to come after you.

Long story short, no, I'm not up in arms over this. They aren't forcing it on a Religious Institution. They are forcing it on a FOR-PROFIT BUSINESS. I don't think they should have to do it if they don't want to, but unfortunately, that is discrimination, and you can't do that as a business owner.

[duckman1911]

Originally Posted by Smalls

No. Its a for-profit business. I never said identifying yourself as a CHRISTIAN business WOULD protect you. I said identifying yourself as a CHRISTIAN BUSINESS MIGHT keep people away. Doesn't mean it would. Unfortunately, there are people in this world that like to stir the pot. What ever couple went after the Chapel should be ashamed. I don't agree with the lawsuit against them, but they run a BUSINESS, not a church. Like I said, you should be able to do what you want with your business, but that is part of the reason we had the civil rights movement.....because businesses were discriminating against blacks. If you open your doors to the public, AS A BUSINESS, you have to be ready for someone to come after you.

Long story short, no, I'm not up in arms over this. They aren't forcing it on a Religious Institution. They are forcing it on a FOR-PROFIT BUSINESS. I don't think they should have to do it if they don't want to, but unfortunately, that is discrimination, and you can't do that as a business owner.

That's why as a business owner you are simply too busy and behind schedule to be able to accomodate their request. I'm simply too far behind schedule to be able to provide the service you need at the expected time. You are more than welcome to schedule an apointment but we are so busy that our next available spot is 6 months from now. I do apologize for the inconvienence.

[Goooh]

Originally Posted by duckman1911

That's why as a business owner you are simply too busy and behind schedule to be able to accomodate their request. I'm simply too far behind schedule to be able to provide the service you need at the expected time. You are more than welcome to schedule an apointment but we are so busy that our next available spot is 6 months from now. I do apologize for the inconvienence.

And now that your antics are clear and in writing, you will have a clear cut losing case if you ever end up in court.

That sucks!

[Top Dawg]

I just wish my phone would quit notifying me every time a queer mfer gets a marriage license.

[B-Stealth]

Originally Posted by Top Dawg

I just wish my phone would quit notifying me every time a queer mfer gets a marriage license.

There's an app for that; it's called "Queer Detector"

Queer Detecter filters all news and social media to deliver "Straight News" the way the good lord intended. This program also filters gay music through music such as Pandora, and Spotify.