Concealed Weapon Permit

[duckman1911]

Originally Posted by CajunChristian

Dog: That's one facet of the problem. The other facet is that when you are attempting to stop an active shooter, you know your team members, some John Wayne stands up with a gun, he immediately becomes the target. The same way when SWAT shows up during a search for a shooter. We, as a Security Team KNOW we will be put on the ground. To SWAT, anyone with a gun is a perp and will kiss the carpet and get cuffed.
Our job is to stop the shooting ONLY. It is not our job to apprehend anyone. We are basically trying to corner the perp where he can take no lives while the church is evacuated. That's why we practice so much in our church. We need to know every crack and crevice and how to clear the rooms that make up the maze. If we can apprehend, great, it not, reduce his body count.
Say what anyone wants, if you show up at our church with open carry, you will be asked to either put your gun in the car, if you refuse, you will be asked to leave, it's not up for debate. If you show up CC and we discover it and you are not on the team, same thing. If that offends you, well you are just offended. We have rules and laws, our church is PRIVATE PROPERTY, we have a right to say who can and cannot carry weapons inside, just like any other business.
AND, you walk in breaking the law and want us to ignore it, even though it can get you or someone else killed.
That is and always has been a hot topic when I train Churches. A Pastor does a great disservice to his security team if he allows non-team members to carry in church.

And the church is perfectly within their rights to ask someone to disarm or leave. I didn't read where anyone disagreed with that. It's private property and anyone can be asked to leave for any reason. Churches being gun free is one of the many reasons I don't attend one.

[marty f]

Originally Posted by CajunChristian

Dog:some John Wayne stands up with a gun, he immediately becomes the target. .

I can understand Cajuns point here. Id say 90%+ of CC holders are immensely under trained for the power they posses. In a church, theater or where ever trying to be a hero will get you killed. Hiding and eluding is surviving, as well is situational awareness. Call me paranoid, but I watch everyone like a hawk, I NEVER let anyone on my back side, and my weapon side is always away from people. Even at wally world in line at check out, I stand sideways, back against the isle.

I intentionally avoid places I can not carry. I have only been asked once about my CC in a public place. I was actually surprised, because my carry is rather very concealed, Another patron caught a glimps of my CC when we were being seated to eat. Funny thing about it was they waited to say something to the management until after they were finished eating and were leaving.

I have found that "GUN FREE ZONES" are indeed a sweet spot for most of the low life cowards, hard to dispute that. I avoid gun free zones, part of my daily staying alive protocol so to speak. There are bad people out there, and you have no clue who they are.

[CajunChristian]

Marty, EXACTLY.
I have been a very involved church member for 20 years now, I have heard every excuse on earth as to why someone does not attend church. Excuses abound, sound reasons...not so much. If someone does not want to attend a church, they will find an excuse, I know, I did the same thing for 30 years, didn't like the music, church folks are all hypocrites, all the church wants is my money, I've used them and heard them all. Then God and I had an unexpected talk. Only way to change something is from the inside. Stop making excuses and start making a difference.

To the op, keep us posted on how long it takes you to get your permit. I am up for renewal AGAIN in a very few months. Sorry about hijacking your thread. Don't know what piece you carry, but, alien gear has a heck of a deal right now, 2 holsters for $49

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[marty f]

Originally Posted by CajunChristian

Marty, EXACTLY.
Don't know what piece you carry, but, alien gear has a heck of a deal right now, 2 holsters for $49

D

Gotta link??

Like I need another holster Im a freaking junky, need my smack

just like buying a new fishing pole yesterday like I "needed" that

[duckman1911]

Originally Posted by marty f

I can understand Cajuns point here. Id say 90%+ of CC holders are immensely under trained for the power they posses. In a church, theater or where ever trying to be a hero will get you killed. Hiding and eluding is surviving, as well is situational awareness. Call me paranoid, but I watch everyone like a hawk, I NEVER let anyone on my back side, and my weapon side is always away from people. Even at wally world in line at check out, I stand sideways, back against the isle.

I intentionally avoid places I can not carry. I have only been asked once about my CC in a public place. I was actually surprised, because my carry is rather very concealed, Another patron caught a glimps of my CC when we were being seated to eat. Funny thing about it was they waited to say something to the management until after they were finished eating and were leaving.

I have found that "GUN FREE ZONES" are indeed a sweet spot for most of the low life cowards, hard to dispute that. I avoid gun free zones, part of my daily staying alive protocol so to speak. There are bad people out there, and you have no clue who they are.

Perfectly stated.

[kcinnick]

If you are going to be in Baton Rouge, we are only a couple miles from LSP headquarters and have custom kydex holsters made locally. We might have one in stock for you gun, but if not we can ship it to you. My store is Ferrara Firearms and the address is 1543 Delplaza dr, Suite 2, Baton Rouge, LA 70815. If you have trouble finding us you can call 225-224-2444

[bjhooper82]

Originally Posted by kcinnick

If you are going to be in Baton Rouge, we are only a couple miles from LSP headquarters and have custom kydex holsters made locally. We might have one in stock for you gun, but if not we can ship it to you. My store is Ferrara Firearms and the address is 1543 Delplaza dr, Suite 2, Baton Rouge, LA 70815. If you have trouble finding us you can call 225-224-2444

Awesome man. I'll swing by for sure. I'll give you a call before I go. It won't be this week for sure though. My wife is pregnant and was due this past Friday. We are scheduled to induce Tuesday morning so I won't be able to head that way until later next week sometime.

[eman]

Originally Posted by kcinnick

If you are going to be in Baton Rouge, we are only a couple miles from LSP headquarters and have custom kydex holsters made locally. We might have one in stock for you gun, but if not we can ship it to you. My store is Ferrara Firearms and the address is 1543 Delplaza dr, Suite 2, Baton Rouge, LA 70815. If you have trouble finding us you can call 225-224-2444

I tried to do business w/ your place last year . had a cabinet full of 22 ammo but i couldn't buy any unless i bought a weapon from you.
You lost me and mine for that one.

[marty f]

Originally Posted by eman

I tried to do business w/ your place last year . had a cabinet full of 22 ammo but i couldn't buy any unless i bought a weapon from you.
You lost me and mine for that one.

BOOOOOO

[Loneshark]

I did mine at LSP headquarters and received it in two weeks. I was shocked.

[Goooh]

Biggest thread derailment in a while

[bjhooper82]

Guys, i got all the info and opinions i need, so thanks. Please don't stop the thread though. I fell like this is a good discussion without all the bs and name calling. Lets keep it going.

[CajunChristian]

Originally Posted by bjhooper82

Guys, i got all the info and opinions i need, so thanks. Please don't stop the thread though. I fell like this is a good discussion without all the bs and name calling. Lets keep it going.

That's the great thing about this site, most seem to be friendly, mature folks. A refreshing change. I moderate on a few boat and motor sites, they get a bit frisky sometimes. I have a very good saying about that:

[Shawn Braquet]

While we are on the CC topic, what are y'all carrying caliber wise, make, model. I've been bouncing back and forth about getting my CC, however living in a chemical plant most of my time I'm not sure I would actually carry it out of habit of not having it on me. They don't do you any good in the truck 90% of the time.

[duckman1911]

Originally Posted by Shawn Braquet

While we are on the CC topic, what are y'all carrying caliber wise, make, model. I've been bouncing back and forth about getting my CC, however living in a chemical plant most of my time I'm not sure I would actually carry it out of habit of not having it on me. They don't do you any good in the truck 90% of the time.

Glock 23 when it's hot. 1911 or XD tactical when the weather is cool.

[CajunChristian]

Originally Posted by Shawn Braquet

While we are on the CC topic, what are y'all carrying caliber wise, make, model. I've been bouncing back and forth about getting my CC, however living in a chemical plant most of my time I'm not sure I would actually carry it out of habit of not having it on me. They don't do you any good in the truck 90% of the time.

I carry a full size S&W, M&P, 40. 15 rounds of FMJ hollow points in the mag and 1 in the chamber. When on Security detail, I carry a 2 mag holder with 1 mag loaded with FMJ Hollow Points and the other with FMJ solid ammo.
According to our church policy, we allow our security team to carry nothing but FMJ hollow points. We are considering frags only. When asked why I carry 46 rounds of ammo, my answer is usually, because 400 would be too heavy.
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[duckman1911]

Originally Posted by CajunChristian

I carry a full size S&W, M&P, 40. 15 rounds of FMJ hollow points in the mag and 1 in the chamber. When on Security detail, I carry a 2 mag holder with 1 mag loaded with FMJ Hollow Points and the other with FMJ solid ammo.
According to our church policy, we allow our security team to carry nothing but FMJ hollow points. We are considering frags only. When asked why I carry 46 rounds of ammo, my answer is usually, because 400 would be too heavy.
D

Nobody ever lost because they had too much ammo.
I used to shoot a frag round in my 45 and it was mean. Unfortunately it has been discontinued.

[Bluechip]

Originally Posted by Shawn Braquet

While we are on the CC topic, what are y'all carrying caliber wise, make, model. I've been bouncing back and forth about getting my CC, however living in a chemical plant most of my time I'm not sure I would actually carry it out of habit of not having it on me. They don't do you any good in the truck 90% of the time.

I pocket carry a 380 in a pocket holster....

[jchief]

Originally Posted by Shawn Braquet

While we are on the CC topic, what are y'all carrying caliber wise, make, model. I've been bouncing back and forth about getting my CC, however living in a chemical plant most of my time I'm not sure I would actually carry it out of habit of not having it on me. They don't do you any good in the truck 90% of the time.

Shawn, I have a LC9 if you want to look at it. Alien Gear holster. Holster is a little hot during the summer.

[marty f]

Originally Posted by jchief

Shawn, I have a LC9 if you want to look at it. .

This is my daily carry with crimson trace laser built in. love it

When you grab the stock the laser comes on automatic. I like this feature, no aiming. Honestly if you happen to be in a situation, there wont be much time to aim, point the red dot and shoot.

It happens faster then it took to read this sentence.