Need EVERYONE'S Advice please help

[cajunsorc]

Originally Posted by RAGINJROB

Think you should probably just ignore him for rest of season. Don't fuel the fire by confronting him. Obviously he has taken it as insult.

Also, if you can see him firing shots in your direction.... the blinds are waaaay tooooo close. Seems like farmer has too many blinds leased out.

Just my 2 cents

Blinds are about 3/4 of a mile apart. Not too close if people know how to hunt.

[cmcnabb]

Originally Posted by cajunsorc

Blinds are about 3/4 of a mile apart. Not too close if people know how to hunt.

Your exactly right. Give my old man a call, he has dealt with a few bad situations.

For the people who think 3/4 of a mile is too close, think about this. The guy knew where the blinds were before he leased it so if he thought it was too close, he should have never leased it. Secondly, I have hunted closer than that for specklebellies and had great success. I just measured it out, .49 mile apart. I have hunted it and killed limits of specks and about 7 blues and snows, and my dad was across the road and killed over 40 geese! So like Doug said, if they have any sense at all it shouldn't be a problem

[Hydro]

I would do whatever it takes to stay in good graces with your land manager/farmer...

We lost a real good lease (10 sections, duck and deer, lower Terrebonne Parish) years ago due to poor sportsmanship/business practices with a couple of club members and have not hunted since...

By the time we found out what had gone down, it was too late to square things away with the lease owner... Ended up selling the camp, generator barge, mudboats, ect to the "new guys"...

[duck enticer]

Response to accusations:

I have contacted Cajunsorc via Private message on this website as well as facebook after I saw this thread. I did this because I prefer to deal with my issues face to face, and not to open up issues to the public, as they never get the full story, and that is not the type of person I am. I would still be willing to do this, as I don’t have any ill feeling toward Cajunsorc. I thought from the very beginning that we should have met and talked. That probably falls on me.


I appreciated Cajunsorc getting me on the lease, but didn’t see it as a favor as Cajunsorc said there was a first come first serve look at the blinds. We showed up quick and paid up quick. Me and two other buddies. The cost was $4000 plus flooding. Flooding for us costed $300/day, of which it took two days to flood.


We don’t have any issues with the farmer either. He has for the most part done what he said he was going to do. He is an amiable guy and I respect him. The only thing he has been neglectful of was cutting over the rest of the grass in our pond to make feed for the ducks. The said lease is basically a wild grass field grown up and then plowed before the season. The farmer then floods this plowed field and then goes back and levels it out right before the season. Our hole was about 2-3 acres cleared out and flooded. There is maybe another 3 acres that could be cleared that hasn’t been. The farmer said he was going to clear this out during the split, but didn’t. I called the farmer a few days before the opening of second split to see if he had done what he said he was going to do and got the “My tractor is broke” story. Like I said, not too big of a deal though.


The reason I am coming back to this thread and posting now is twofold. I both want to dispel a couple of mistruths that have been told specifically about me and also to let anyone who might try to lease this blind next year know the truths about it.



From the beginning:
The spacing on these blinds is approximately 450 yards apart, which is about ¼ mile. See the attachment. This was a concern of mine early, and I voiced it to both Cajunsorc and the farmer. The concern I had was that his blind was directly south of ours, meaning that a south wind meant a bang bang over our heads. As you might know approximately 60-70% of the hunting days in South Louisiana are south wind days. The farmer said that there hadn’t been any problems. Cajunsorc also said that in his 18 years there wasn’t ever an issue either. I, as well as my buddy, were hesitant, but believed it could work. In my more specific questioning of the farmer he did say that the year before the previous leaser of the blind we were in did have problems with Cajunsorc, or Cajunsorc had problems with him. Cajunsorc accused the leaser of shooting at “birds” while ducks were working him. I don’t think it ended well for the previous leaser, as they left their mojo duck in the blind and decoys at the lease. Their decoys were cut to shreds too as the farmer disked them up. Also, the blind was run over and crushed by the farmer. We had to get floor jacks in there to open it back up so we could hunt in it. I wonder if there isn’t more to this story, but I will never know. LOL. Upon further questioning the farmer informed me that there were some hunters that were hunting to Cajunsorc’s West, maybe 150-300 yards. These shooters also gave Cajunsorc problems. As you can see there were issues.


Cajunsorc informed me that he had leased the blind we were looking at for a long time. He leased it as a goose blind, and would not flood it. He would hunt ducks in his blind and then move north to our blind and hunt geese. Only recently, in the past year he did not have the means to lease both blinds, so he chose to keep only the duck blind. Cajunsorc informed me that his blind was more of a duck blind and that the blind we would be leasing was more of a goose blind. Fair enough.


We hunted our blind the second day of the opener on a south wind and found out that those blinds were too closely spaced. Every time Cajunsorc’s blind shot birds working us would flare like crazy. The volley’s were loud. Hey, we bought into it knowing that though, it is what it is. Also, Cajunsorc’s blind shot a lot as they had a duckie spot. There were 5 hunters that day and they killed 30. You can imagine the shooting. There were a lot of birds though and both blinds did okay. We killed a handful of ducks and 4 specks that day, so not too bad. Cajunsorc was amicable at this point, and things were okay.



Fast forward to the 26th of November. Cajunsorc was out of town. We had a decent morning in our blind. We killed about 9 birds between 2 of us and 1 speck. It was a foggy morning. Cajunsorc’s blind did a lot less shooting, maybe only as much as we did. That was abnormal for them as they have a much better spot and normally shoot a bunch more than us. After our hunt I get a text from Cajunsorc saying he heard we did a lot of shooting. He said his buddy told him that if we worked the birds closer then we would kill a lot more. I responded, and still contend that all “flocks” we shot at that day were 30 yards and in. We were shooting like crap though, and didn’t kill but one or two out of maybe two flocks. Yeah, terrible I know. He basically dismissed what I said and came back with “look man, I know you are new out here, but just let the birds work one more pass to see if they will get lower”. My response to him? How do you know they are going to get lower?....They might not. I left it at that and started to see a problem emerging.


Also, at this point in the season I noticed what Cajunsorc was saying, that he had a more duckie hole than us. They probably got 4 times the opportunities on ducks than we did. To add to that, ducks might work us one or two passes and then go their blind to get shot at or killed. So why should I wait for them to make another pass?
Fast forward to the next Friday. I had a good friend of mine on a hunt, the preacher at the church I go to. It was a North wind day, which have made dreadful hunting days out there this year. Definitely a South wind area. Cajunsorc said he was going to have a couple of clients with him that day. He would be hunting. No big deal. Had a spoon come into the decoys early and missed him three times. That was the only time we fired.
At one point in the hunt I saw a couple of specks coming from the West. They went in between Cajunsorc’s blind and mine heading south. I called at them some and they didn’t respond. They were looking over Cajunsorc’s dekes pretty hard. They didn’t do it though. After that incident I got a text from Cajunsorc saying he was really “PISSED OFF” that I was steady calling at birds that were working his set. I sent him a message saying “Sorry man”, and that was the end of that. I will try to work those specks from a long ways away, but if he has a problem I will stop. As long as the agreement is reciprocal.



Fast forward to two days later Snow geese working over my pond getting steady called at by someone in Cajunsorc’s blind. Steady! Also, a single duck came over my pond at about 50 yards. I could have shot and maybe killed him, but thought no, let’s see if he takes another pass. Duck went south to Cajunsorc’s blind and they killed him. This is the way things go out there. Cajunsorc has a more duckie hole than we do. That is okay, and I don’t think we are really hurting him if he has killed 400 ducks this year. Notice, Cajunsorc, I never said a thing about this until now. Reason is because I didn’t care until you made it an issue. Pertaining to duck calling at least, those birds are going to go where they want to go, I think, regardless of calling. You have 350 dekes and 7 spinners out. The birds are attracted almost exclusively to the set and not the call. Geese I can understand, as specks really respond to the call. I will respect that as long as it goes both ways.



Fast forward to Tuesday, December 20th. South wind morning with a frontline breaking through about midmorning. It started out okay, got a flock of teal in and killed 4. The ducks starting slowing down and the snows starting coming from the North. They were just on the edge of range, 70-90 yards. We hadn’t had hardly any chances on Snows the whole season, so we tried several groups. We did drop one, but were shooting at high ones. I will give Cajunsorc that, they were high. Think about this. By the time we started shooting at the Snows wind is blowing hard out of the south, the frontline is getting closer. The wind and Cajunsorc’s blind are at our back. We are shooting at geese that he says “were flaring their ducks”. Do you think the blind spacing is too close? Buyer beware.



I did call Cajunsorc to talk to him about it. I know we skybusted some. He never called me back.



Fast forward to the last incident which is an outright lie! I lost my phone on Friday, December 23rd in Morse on a goose hunt. I have one who can attest to it, and I have two that can attest to it who were in the blind with me on Christmas morning. I brought two teenaged kids with me on Sunday, December 25th. It was a hard North wind morning. Again, dreadful at the lease. Neither us, nor Cajunsorc’s blind had very many chances at all. One single duck came over kind of high that we fired on. The hunting was super slow, so I let the kids shoot at two flocks of blackbirds and some snipe. They also shot at a Crow. Again, hardly anything flying. I wanted to let them get at least some form of shooting in. I do know what Cajunsorc was talking about when he said firing the way of his blind. There was a crippled black bird to our South. When we got out of the blind we saw it and shot it, end of story. NEVER ,AND I REPEAT NEVER WAS IT IN RESPONSE TO A TEXT MESSAGE THAT I RECEIVED. I DIDN’T HAVE A PHONE!!!! REMOVE THIS PART OF YOUR COMPLAINT!


Another thing, the farmer has told me nothing about complaints being lodged on us. Nothing! Had he communicated with us we would have adjusted accordingly.



We won’t be renewing the lease next year, and I’m sure Cajunsorc isn’t surprised. Why? Cajunsorc has hunted his blind every time I have been there, save one. 14 hunts. In other words, they are always there. You won’t get a break from their shooting. What I have also noticed about his character is that he attempts to be controlling, overbearing, and manipulative of those around him. He kills plenty while still trying to dictate the actions of others. Not to mention, the lease was paid in full by us, not him. He also doesn’t handle issues well in my mind. We could have all sat down, Us, him and the farmer and had discussions in depth about what he wanted. Also, I know we aren’t perfect either, but come on, you could have at least tried to work with us a little more. You could have come and talked to us. Anything but this. For anyone that want’s to lease this spot keep in mind what you have heard. The other blind on the lease is far enough south that it doesn’t have to deal with the spacing issue. They seem like good people too.



cajunsorc and our blinds are too close for comfort. It will be difficult to satisfy both parties in the future.


P.S.
One more aside is that cajunsorc’s blind has taken many a high shot on the duck this year as well. Sometimes they cripple, sometimes they whiff. It happens, and is a non issue to us. Now it becomes an issue because cajunsorc has made it one.

[LPfishnTIM]

sounds like behavior problems, you can't reason or change the man, give him a pro rated refund and press charges on him for aggravated assault. sounds harsh, but his malicious ways of throwing a fit are criminal and in some way need to be dealt with for society's safety.

[cajunsorc]

Originally Posted by LPfishnTIM

sounds like behavior problems, you can't reason or change the man, give him a pro rated refund and press charges on him for aggravated assault. sounds harsh, but his malicious ways of throwing a fit are criminal and in some way need to be dealt with for society's safety.

My lease partner that was in the blind when he pulled this nonsense is a Calcasieu Parish Sheriff Deputy. LOL

[redaddiction]

He sounds like a lost cause. But maybe give it one more shot and invite him to hunt with you in your blind and show him first hand how it is done. Then just maybe, he'll realize what is the right way to hunt.

I just don't understand some people. To me, the thrill of the hunt is always working the birds in closer and not the kill itself. He's missing out on the best part of duck and goose hunting.

Best of luck.

["W"]

Biggest problem is Blinds are too close if your flaring ducks from blind to blind......


2nd...He is an idiot but if he paid the lease....He can shoot black birds all day for that matter




Were I hunt.... We have two blinds that are leased out on the farm........ when they shoot we can barley hear them and with a south or north wind...we never hear them at all....

[Shawn Braquet]

Originally Posted by Deadly D

ok was it you or the farmer that leased it out. If it was you have 1/2 of his money and a release form for him. Go pick up his decoys the afternoon before and meet him the next morning. Give him all his stuff and tell him not to come back or he will be charged with trespassing. Cased closed cause if you dont stop the BS right now you will also be looking for another spot

true dat

[Asterisk-Rich]

Originally Posted by Shawn Braquet

true dat

And a good spot isn't easy to come by.

[Raymond]

Who is it?????
Long Spoon Regards

[SaltyShaw]

Punch him in his dumb *** mouth and send him packing, like everyone else said a good place is hard to come by dont let one ignorant fool ruin what you have worked hard for. On that note id be interested if you need some one lol

[meaux fishing]

kick him out and lease it to me for the rest of the season

[cajunsorc]

The farmer leased it directly to him on my recommendation and I recommended him after having several conversations with him. After talking with him, it was clear he knew the right way to hunt. So, now I know that he was full of &*%$ and that he just talks a good game but acts like an @$$. The location of the blinds is not the issue as with a wind from his direction he can't hear me and vice versa. And we have had birds flare from shots from 3+ miles away if the wind is from that direction. I don't mind birds flaring if he is making legitimate shots at birds but the shooting of everything that passes after I have talked to him politely considering I got him in the lease.

[meaux fishing]

Originally Posted by cajunsorc

The farmer leased it directly to him on my recommendation and I recommended him after having several conversations with him. After talking with him, it was clear he knew the right way to hunt. So, now I know that he was full of &*%$ and that he just talks a good game but acts like an @$$. The location of the blinds is not the issue as with a wind from his direction he can't hear me and vice versa. And we have had birds flare from shots from 3+ miles away if the wind is from that direction. I don't mind birds flaring if he is making legitimate shots at birds but the shooting of everything that passes after I have talked to him politely considering I got him in the lease.

I would just let the farmer know you were wrong about him and that you are very sorry for any problems he has caused. And you are no way connected to the guys behavior. Tell him that you had several conversations about it with the guy and cant think of anything else to do but dont want it to affect your relationship with him(the farmer).

[meaux fishing]

Originally Posted by Deadly D

Keep your cool and dont do what I would have done or would do

x2

[huntin fool]

He doesn't post much, so I doubt he sees. But it'd be nice if he read all of this. Maybe he'd get the hint.

[duckman444]

Part of me says owell to bad to sad u r SOL. He paid his dues he did not lease from u so he can hunt however he pleases. If he wants to paint hisself silver and sit in his boat flapping his arms and hollers quack all u can do is sit back and say who woulda thought it.

The other half of me that hunts The Wax says kick his *** or kick him out the club. Quit being nice no matter what people say being nice gets u nothing. Give him a pro rate and kick him like a case of crabs. He sounds like a idiot who came fresh off a WMA and has no ethics or manners. This is just my 2 cents.

[huntin fool]

Sorc, reading his post on here, he acts like its such a burden to hunt that blind. Also doesn't look like they been killing. Not near as good as yall for sure.

[cajunsorc]

Originally Posted by huntin fool

Sorc, reading his post on here, he acts like its such a burden to hunt that blind. Also doesn't look like they been killing. Not near as good as yall for sure.

He hasn't been doing as well as we have because we let the big bunches get in tight and shoot em at 15 yds which results in 4 to 8 birds out of each bunch. And 3 or 4 bunches and we are close to 20 birds a hunt which as you know our average per hunt is 17. He shoots at bunches at 50-60yds which results in maybe 1 bird out of each bunch therefore he is only killing 3 or 4 birds per hunt. The birds are there....they have been there all year......you know Nate and you know exactly what we have been killing. This guy is in the same area as me so if he's not killing something is wrong with what he is doing. He just doesn't understand. We are close to 400 birds this year in about 22 hunts. i dont think he has killed 50 this year. You would think he would figure it out. Especially with me holding his hand and walking him thru it.