Frontier bay boats

[PUREBAY2200]

Here is what the last yahama rep told me
"the F200 only make around 180hp. The F150 makes around 165 and weighs a lot less."

[meaux fishing]

Originally Posted by weedeater

Do you think a 200hp Suzuki would be worth goin to from a Yamaha because Lake Area Marine is a Suzuki dealer.....is there much difference in the Yammy and Zuki 200

yes...
DF200 Advantages

Over Honda

• 55° vs 60 ° block for compact, lighter, design can be mounted on 26" center without contact.
• Offset Drive shaft = Better balance
• Self adjusting timing chain vs. Over head belt. No belt maintenance or adjustment necessary.
• Easy access Shim & Bucket vs. Rocker arm quick and accurate valve adjusment vs.expensive service and additional adjustment.
• 220.5 cu. in. vs. 212 cu. in. No replacement for displacement.
• 2.29:1 vs 1.86:1. Lower gear ratio to swing a larger prop for improved acceleration.
• Built in charging system vs. belt driven alt. Less moving parts.

Over Mercury

• Natural Aspiration vs. SuperCharge. Every Authorized Suzuki Dealer can service vs. Limited Authorized Service Centers
• Offset Drive shaft. Better balance on the transom.
• Self adjusting timing chain vs. Over head belt. No belt maintenance or adjustment necessary.
• Easy access Shim & Bucket valve adjustment quick and accurate valve adjustment vs. expensive service
• 220.5 cu. in. vs. 105.7 cu. in. No replacement for displacement.
• 2.29:1 vs 2.08:1. Lower gear ratio to swing a larger prop for improved acceleration.
• 569 lbs vs 635 lbs. Better Power to Weight Ratio
• 3 Star vs. 2 Star

Over Yamaha

• 55° vs 60 ° block for compact, lighter, design can be mounted on 26" center without contact.
• Offset Drive shaft. Better balance on the transom.
• Self adjusting timing chain vs. Over head belt. No belt maintenance or adjustment necessary.
• Easy access Shim and Bucket valve adjustment quick and accurate valve adjustment vs. expensive service
• 220.5 cu. in. vs. 204.6 cu. in. No replacement for displacement.
• 2.29:1 vs 2.00:1 Lower gear ratio to swing a larger prop for improved acceleration.
• 54 Amp charging vs 45 Amp. More power for your electronics.
• 8.7 qt. of oil vs 6.1 qt. More oil for better lubrication and cooling.

[cmdrost]

Originally Posted by PUREBAY2200

15 Hp diff from a 150 4 stroke yammy and a 200 4 stroke yammy.
I have read up on this alot; I reported from a 150 to a 225.
Every dealer I called said the same; 200 ain't worth the upgrade if u can go to a 225.
I spoke with yammy reps at every boat show I been to n the last 4 years; they all said the same.

Agree with you purebay, but would like to add the 200 maybe adds 5 mph more speed, but what it does add is the lower end speeds. Can't for the life of me figure out why this boat isn't rated for a 225?!?!

I've talked to about 5 or 6 diff guys on 2cool that have 200's on their Frontier 210 and all say the same thing. Their speed equals their RPM's. So at top end your only doing 55 ish, but cruising at 40 mph at 4000 RPM's is awesome compared to running WOT with the F150 to get same speed.

ETA - Also agree with Purebay that The yammy F200 isn't a very good motor and doesn't add much over the F150. To make a noticable difference, you have to switch to a supercharged engine like the 200 SHO, 200 E-Tec, or the 200 Verado.

Bill Kenner told me that the 210 with a 200 opti pro x/s did 63 with him and another person on board in testing. But that no other fishing gear was on the boat. At that point I asked why it wasn't rated for a 225? His response, "Well how fast do you want to go?" :lol:

When he first started building these boats, the motor tech wasn't where it is today. Meaning the 225 and 250's weighed WAY too much to put on the boat. But now the 200 & 225 SHO is lighter than my Yammy F150.

[PUREBAY2200]

^^^
U are right; switching to an etec or sho.

["W"]

Purebay the Boat Dr is in the House

[PUREBAY2200]

W..... The resident expert .... Always on call.

["W"]

Just waiting on this baby to come out!!!!


But I would run a Opt max on that 210

[PUREBAY2200]

I agree; the 200 opti would prob b the best engine for the $$$
What's the price diff on a 200 opti vs a 200 sho?

[specknation]

Originally Posted by cmdrost

Agree with you purebay, but would like to add the 200 maybe adds 5 mph more speed, but what it does add is the lower end speeds. Can't for the life of me figure out why this boat isn't rated for a 225?!?!

I've talked to about 5 or 6 diff guys on 2cool that have 200's on their Frontier 210 and all say the same thing. Their speed equals their RPM's. So at top end your only doing 55 ish, but cruising at 40 mph at 4000 RPM's is awesome compared to running WOT with the F150 to get same speed.

ETA - Also agree with Purebay that The yammy F200 isn't a very good motor and doesn't add much over the F150. To make a noticable difference, you have to switch to a supercharged engine like the 200 SHO, 200 E-Tec, or the 200 Verado.

Bill Kenner told me that the 210 with a 200 opti pro x/s did 63 with him and another person on board in testing. But that no other fishing gear was on the boat. At that point I asked why it wasn't rated for a 225? His response, "Well how fast do you want to go?" :lol:

When he first started building these boats, the motor tech wasn't where it is today. Meaning the 225 and 250's weighed WAY too much to put on the boat. But now the 200 & 225 SHO is lighter than my Yammy F150.

I agree with everything you said on here but one thing you mention the yammy F200 isn't a very good motor that is not correct, the yamaha 200 four stroke is the most reliable 4 stroke Yamaha has ever made the yamaha rep told me visits to the shop with this motor is lowest of all yamaha four strokes. And by the way I own one of these, now performance wise the 200 four stroke weight to hp is not good but I would take dependability over 3 more top end mph anyday.

[cmdrost]

Yeah sorry. Didn't mean to imply its a bad motor. Just cost, weight, hp wise isn't much better option that F150.

PS - 200 SHO is approx $15k and 200 Opti is approx $12k

[PUREBAY2200]

For 3 k( diff in price) I can put a jack plate , trolling motor & gps.
I guess unless u absolutely must have a 4 stroke the opti is a good deal.

[SGib]

I would stay away from the etec. Pain in my arse every trip....

[PUREBAY2200]

I have heard more of those statements then positive statements....

[Slidellkid]

SGib,

Tell us about that Etec. I have never really heard anything too negative bout one, just never really considered one as there isn't a dealer close by. What problems do you have?

[Slidellkid]

That does not sound to good about the drainage problem. I don't know that I would want to spend that kind of money only to have my feet wet all the time.

[PUREBAY2200]

My purebay had the same issue..... Sitting still filled with water n the back. Jump on plane it would drain.
I got rubber plugs and stuck em n the drains.
Problem solved.

[JDd]

I rather the Frontiers WITHOUT the liner, just the cap.

More toe room and more space under the cap for rod storage.

I would go with a 200 Etec on the 210 if it were me. Or a 175 Suzuki.

[cmdrost]

Found this on 2cool and it reminded me of this thread, so thought I'd post it here:


here she is... finally picked up about 3 weeks ago. got boat up to 58mph with 200 opti.
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So this boat is getting a solid 10 mph faster than my boat with yammy f150.

[weedeater]

^^^^ good lookin boat

[cmdrost]

Straight from the horses mouth. I emailed Bill Kenner to see if he had tested any Frontiers with a 225? Still doesn't make much sense to me that you can put a 225 on a Haynie z21 and not a Frontier because the hulls weigh almost the same.

And remember they usually test boats with out any fishing gear. Meaning no trolling motor or extra batteries, ice chests, not a full tank of fuel, etc.

"No,
The largest engine I have tested is the Yamaha SHO 200 on a 12” set back and trim tabs. 62mph, needed tabs in mid range, not on top end. Big engine and quite a lot of setback. deck would not drain unless it had the newer sump system in the boat.
Bill Kenner"