Deity debate

[duckman1911]

Originally Posted by fishfish

Question
Why is god so pissed? For god so loved the world he gave his only son. Ok, I get that point. But you got your son back a month or two later. Why is he such an egotist. Worship him but not false idols? If your so great, why do you feel you need to be worshiped? Why cancer, terrorist, murder, rape, etc etc.

Also another question. Are you telling me that some dirt poor kid growing up in the slums of India drinking piss and eating crap out of the gutter to survive his whole life can't get into heaven even though he's never even heard of your "god" but struggled his entire life just to survive.

I consider myself agnostic. Something bigger than me is out there. I just can't believe in god.

I guess you guys don't believe in the big bang being the form of all life.

Oh the big bang theory. I'm so glad you brought that up. You believe in the big bang? How did that happen? In Genesis it says God created the heavens and the Earth. It doesn't say how though. Have fun with that one.
If you don't believe I understand. What I don't understand is why you are being a douche. Newfish I think all of your posts have been on the past two threads that have mentioned religion. Why don't you get your mom to fix you a sandwich, move out of her basement and get a hobby.

[FF_T_Warren]

Believing in God doesn't get you into heaven. Even the demons believe in God. Believing that Jesus is the only way into heaven gets you into heaven. No matter how great of a person you are, your works cannot get you into heaven. God sent his son Jesus to be the atonement for our sins so that we can come to him. Its really that simple. Now on another note, a true believing, confessing that your a sinner and that you can't make it on your own, and turning your life over to him will be evident in your lifestyle. Its a one time decision and a lifetime of worship. Good works wont get you to heaven, but living for Jesus will make you desire to follow him and do works that you never thought possible.

[duckman1911]

Worst of all newfish you aren't even a smart enough troll to realize we're just having fun wasting your time. Probably cutting into your internet porn time. Lets keep going. I have plenty of beer.

[FF_T_Warren]

Originally Posted by fishfish

Question
Why is god so pissed? For god so loved the world he gave his only son. Ok, I get that point. But you got your son back a month or two later. Why is he such an egotist. Worship him but not false idols? If your so great, why do you feel you need to be worshiped? Why cancer, terrorist, murder, rape, etc etc.

Also another question. Are you telling me that some dirt poor kid growing up in the slums of India drinking piss and eating crap out of the gutter to survive his whole life can't get into heaven even though he's never even heard of your "god" but struggled his entire life just to survive.

I consider myself agnostic. Something bigger than me is out there. I just can't believe in god.

I guess you guys don't believe in the big bang being the form of all life.

To answer this question, In the great commission we were commanded to go out and make disciples of all nations. This is why it is so important for us to spread the gospel of Jesus because without it people are dying and going to hell. Thats why missionaries are so important, but even those who aren't called to be missionaries still are called to spread the good news.

[jchief]

Keep personal shots out

[ski]

Originally Posted by Speck-killer

I wish Salty Cajun would ban this BS on this site. This is a fishing site. Keep your opinions of your religion to yourself or go to another site for your trivial babble

You did see the title before you opened the thread, right. Did ya think it was gps coords for some secret honey hole? It's a COMMUNITY fishin website. Go find a moslim fishing site if the good news offends ya. Hope ya'll don't mind me speaking for ya!

[Goooh]

Who are we to judge?

Love as you would expect to be loved, treat as you would expect to be treated.

If we are judged in the end, God won't be as fickle as the book makes him out to be and the purity of our hearts will be the deciding factor.

How crappy will we feel when the gay person we ridiculed in 4th grade is better dressed at the wedding than everyone else because their heart was full of love for all and lacking in judgement for any.

After all, aren't we all God's creation? Let him handle the nitty gritty, and let us love like we've only got 100 years on this earth.

[Top Dawg]

Got a limit of flounder this eve. And I had a drink and thanked the good Lord shortly after.

[duckman1911]

Originally Posted by FF_T_Warren

Believing in God doesn't get you into heaven. Even the demons believe in God. Believing that Jesus is the only way into heaven gets you into heaven. No matter how great of a person you are, your works cannot get you into heaven. God sent his son Jesus to be the atonement for our sins so that we can come to him. Its really that simple. Now on another note, a true believing, confessing that your a sinner and that you can't make it on your own, and turning your life over to him will be evident in your lifestyle. Its a one time decision and a lifetime of worship. Good works wont get you to heaven, but living for Jesus will make you desire to follow him and do works that you never thought possible.

I agree but also not disagree but say I don't know. I believe in God and Jesus Christ. I don't think I have to go to church on Sunday to show that. Some of the biggest hypocrites I have ever seen carried a bible and wore a suit. Some of the best people I have ever met carried a bible and wore overalls. The bible doesn't make the person. The person makes the bible.
I believe someone can give their life to God and never step foot in a church. If you truely believe your gifts in life come from God (true gifts not bday presents) and you repay those gifts by being a good person and being kind to others and honest is that not enough? I know Jesus died on the cross for my sins. He shed his blood to give me eternal life. I try everyday to be a good caring person. I fail but if he lets me wake up tomorrow I'll try again.

[slimbullet]

Originally Posted by FF_T_Warren

Believing in God doesn't get you into heaven. Even the demons believe in God. Believing that Jesus is the only way into heaven gets you into heaven. No matter how great of a person you are, your works cannot get you into heaven. God sent his son Jesus to be the atonement for our sins so that we can come to him. Its really that simple. Now on another note, a true believing, confessing that your a sinner and that you can't make it on your own, and turning your life over to him will be evident in your lifestyle. Its a one time decision and a lifetime of worship. Good works wont get you to heaven, but living for Jesus will make you desire to follow him and do works that you never thought possible.

This guy gets it. You can't earn righteous, it has already been purchased. It's free gift to anyone willing to accept in their hearts them simple fact that God became man, lived a sinless life, was cruxified ,died, was buried and rose from their dead as our substitute. All sin past present and future will be made as white as snow. Simple everyday faith in that alone is the gateway to heaven. Once you accept that fact you will see your life change. You will feel conviction of all these wrong you do and you will begin to hate them. Any questions read your bible. It's all in there. I am by no means a saint, but if I go to hell it's not because of what I do or did, simply for what I failed to believe.

[duckman1911]

Originally Posted by jchief

Keep personal shots out

Roger that. Sorry.
Sorry to newfish too

[duckman1911]

Originally Posted by Goooh

Who are we to judge?

Love as you would expect to be loved, treat as you would expect to be treated.

If we are judged in the end, God won't be as fickle as the book makes him out to be and the purity of our hearts will be the deciding factor.

How crappy will we feel when the gay person we ridiculed in 4th grade is better dressed at the wedding than everyone else because their heart was full of love for all and lacking in judgement for any.

After all, aren't we all God's creation? Let him handle the nitty gritty, and let us love like we've only got 100 years on this earth.

100? Dang you're more optimistic than I gave you credit for. I'm hoping for 40 and it's only a month away.lol

[slimbullet]

Originally Posted by duckman1911

I agree but also not disagree but say I don't know. I believe in God and Jesus Christ. I don't think I have to go to church on Sunday to show that. Some of the biggest hypocrites I have ever seen carried a bible and wore a suit. Some of the best people I have ever met carried a bible and wore overalls. The bible doesn't make the person. The person makes the bible.
I believe someone can give their life to God and never step foot in a church. If you truely believe your gifts in life come from God (true gifts not bday presents) and you repay those gifts by being a good person and being kind to others and honest is that not enough? I know Jesus died on the cross for my sins. He shed his blood to give me eternal life. I try everyday to be a good caring person. I fail but if he lets me wake up tomorrow I'll try again.

Your right. Look at the 2 sinners crucified with Jesus. This is a huge lesson. There was a reason for this. While one mocked him through other surrendered and exhibited faith by asking Jesus to remember him in heaven. Jesus responded to his faith and said today you will be with me in paradise. Saul, or their apostle Paul a murder.
But as far as not going to church ect that's where everyday faith comes in. That's the flesh talking. Once you accept Jesus as your savior you get a big help from three holy spirit. And then you will want to do their things pleasing to God. Not by your own power but his. I encourage anyone to read Romans chapter 7.

[Dogface]

Originally Posted by slimbullet

This guy gets it. You can't earn righteous, it has already been purchased. It's free gift to anyone willing to accept in their hearts them simple fact that God became man, lived a sinless life, was cruxified ,died, was buried and rose from their dead as our substitute. All sin past present and future will be made as white as snow. Simple everyday faith in that alone is the gateway to heaven. Once you accept that fact you will see your life change. You will feel conviction of all these wrong you do and you will begin to hate them. Any questions read your bible. It's all in there. I am by no means a saint, but if I go to hell it's not because of what I do or did, simply for what I failed to believe.

Well said.

[irokcj5]

Let me get this straight Fishfish... You believe there "something out there bigger than you", that everything began from nothing, that it started instantaneously, and that from a "big bang" a bunch of quarks, anti-quarks, neutrons, electrons, protons, formed an atoms, then a bunch of different types of atoms formed and collided and decided to form a chain, and enough chains had a party and decided to form amino acids and proteins so that they could build a single cell organism. That the organism, could then mutate into different organisms, until it decides its tired of being a simple organism and decides to become a bigger life forum....oh wait, it would have to wait on an livable atmosphere....but that would mean that some of those single cells would have to decide to become plankton and the plankton would become trees that would decide that it wanted to make oxygen so that the other simple cells could become animals and the animals could become intelligent enough to design a computer where we could discuss all this. Man Fishfish...you got more faith than me, friend.

I grew up in a church, but there came a point in my life were I questioned God's existence, mostly because I could not understand eternity, how he could create everything out of nothing (same thing you believe), and I could not understand God. But it really came down to two choices. Either I believe in the first paragraph I wrote and believe when we die, we go into oblivion, or I believe in the man that claimed to come from God, was God, and was man. And I believe the writers that said they witnessed this man perform miracles, showed us how to love one another, and who was hated so much for claiming to be God that they killed him AND THEN rose on the 3rd day and escaped the tomb that roman soldiers were guarding. Also what is not discussed much but the Word tells us is that he was seen by thousands, that others were also raised from the dead during those days, and that these days were so magnificent that we're still speaking of it this day. So again, I have two choices, I choose to believe the latter, because 1, I don't have enough faith to believe the former, and 2) I've witnessed miracles in my life, and in friends and family. Also I came to the conclusion, if I were able to understand God, I would actually place him in a box with limits. So I don't have to understand everything, only that He is the Great I Am. oh, and about your questions about the poor kid, if God is anything he is just, and his Word tells us that he judges us based on our knowledge. So I believe God will only judge my poor friend on his knowledge and his choices based on that knowledge. so if he never heard of Jesus, of course God would not put him into eternal hell. But anyone who knows about Jesus and and rejects the call to "follow him" has made their choice on where they would prefer to spend eternity. It really is that simple. God Bless you all. I really enjoy reading your posts, even the ones I don't agree with. sorry for such a long post.

[slimbullet]

One more thing before I hit the sack. If you live under their law, ie there 10 commandments, you will be judged by God. His judgement handed down will be hellfire every single time. All these 10 commandments do is define who you are, but doesn't do anything to save you from who you are. That's where Jesus comes in. Sadly most churches don't preach this. They stop at their law, defining who man is but don't give them solution, which is the cross of christ

[barbarian]

Originally Posted by fonikoddity

Someone's been reading Lee Strobel. I was just like you, and had a very real, whether to me or in an absolute sense, experience. I was an "inside man", if you will. I understand everything you're explaining, as it's very similar to the same rhetoric I orated in a VERY public forum.

However, no matter of faith (however great or small mine was) could ever make the math right. I dug deeper.

I realize that there are several archetypal things that we experience within our human condition, and it's easy for factions to form when folks believe like-minded stories or teachings that are aligned with their upbringing or previously held beliefs (or perhaps beliefs that fill a very real void).

I will never argue with anyone about their right to hold any belief, however silly I find it to be. I'm pretty much a dumbass most off the time, and I wouldn't expect anyone to believe anything, much less everything, that I think is true.

As for Jesus' life on Earth, I don't have a single problem with a third of the Holy Trinity coming and living among us, and ultimately dying to find a loophole for our complete depravity. My problem is believing what humans wrote about it.

On the bright side, if I'm wrong (although basic agnosticism can't really be wrong or right), perhaps I have fire insurance...?

"And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand."

-John 10:28-29 (KJV, none of that translated-from-arabic nonsense )

Actually, not a big fan of Lee Strobel style of writing. I was just trying to find a way to put into words what happened to me. Religion makes it too complicated and its not.

All I know is what happened to me and at 32 years of age, this tiger lost his stripes and came home from work one day and was a different person than who went to work. My wife knew that night and my kids who were 5 & 3 knew something had changed enough to talk about it at day care where their sitter asked my wife what had happened to me. I left that morning a strong nonbeliever and came home knowing that God was real and something happened to me that I can't explain other than it was magical, miraculous, supernatural, etc. I believe because I feel beyond any shadow of a doubt that God revealed himself to be that day. It was a personal experience that had zero to do with anything that I read, heard or church. I know that from experience the more I try to explain my experience and Christianity that most will scoff even more so this is it for me on this topic. I do believe God gave me this story above to tell every so often. Just felt this was one of those moments. It is not to convince anybody of anything, but to give somebody out there a chance to hear a real life God moment that happened to me in todays time. It happens all the time to people all over the world. It doesn't make me better and definitely not perfect. And in some ways, it has made my life much more difficult.

If anybody would sincerely like to hear more details, shoot me a PM and we can meet for lunch or something.

[fonikoddity]

Originally Posted by irokcj5

Also I came to the conclusion, if I were able to understand God, I would actually place him in a box with limits.

^^^^ THIS ^^^^

Also, just as important is not placing God in the shadows of everything unknown...because soon enough, we will know those things, and then one may feel the need to argue on God's behalf for some dogmatically held belief!

Neil Degrasse Tyson said this:

"Does it mean, if you don’t understand something, and the community of physicists don’t understand it, that means God did it? Is that how you want to play this game? Because if it is, here’s a list of things in the past that the physicists at the time didn’t understand [enter a bunch of "Sciencey" stuff]...If that’s how you want to invoke your evidence for God, then God is an ever-receding pocket of scientific ignorance that’s getting smaller and smaller and smaller as time moves on - so just be ready for that to happen, if that’s how you want to come at the problem.

[fonikoddity]

Originally Posted by barbarian

Actually, not a big fan of Lee Strobel style of writing. I was just trying to find a way to put into words what happened to me. Religion makes it too complicated and its not.

All I know is what happened to me and at 32 years of age, this tiger lost his stripes and came home from work one day and was a different person than who went to work. My wife knew that night and my kids who were 5 & 3 knew something had changed enough to talk about it at day care where their sitter asked my wife what had happened to me. I left that morning a strong nonbeliever and came home knowing that God was real and something happened to me that I can't explain other than it was magical, miraculous, supernatural, etc. I believe because I feel beyond any shadow of a doubt that God revealed himself to be that day. It was a personal experience that had zero to do with anything that I read, heard or church. I know that from experience the more I try to explain my experience and Christianity that most will scoff even more so this is it for me on this topic. I do believe God gave me this story above to tell every so often. Just felt this was one of those moments. It is not to convince anybody of anything, but to give somebody out there a chance to hear a real life God moment that happened to me in todays time. It happens all the time to people all over the world. It doesn't make me better and definitely not perfect. And in some ways, it has made my life much more difficult.

If anybody would sincerely like to hear more details, shoot me a PM and we can meet for lunch or something.

I sincerely believe that you sincerely believe this, and I celebrate the change in your life!

In the end, we should all just try to be a little better each day we're still here. Most days I'm an abysmal failure.

[fonikoddity]

This is what I get for having a couple Fat Tires and jumping on Salty Cajun to see if anyone has had any luck in the Prien area since the salinity has finally risen to a respectable level.

Sorry for all the long-windedness!