CCA lets us down again

[Feesherman]

Originally Posted by Duck Butter

HB 391 Original 2018 Regular Session Pearson
Abstract: Provides for the public navigation of running waters, including those running waters passing over any privately owned water bottom directly connected to a state-owned waterbottom that is subject to the ebb and flow of the tide.
http://www.legis.la.gov/legis/ViewDo...aspx?d=1071594


Sorry guys, aint no new fishing grounds going to open up with this bill. You can drive through it, but dont stop to fish

Proposed law provides that no person may prohibit the public navigation of running waters which
are navigable by a motorboat required to be registered or numbered pursuant to the laws of this state
or the U.S., except where navigation has been prevented or impeded by an obstacle constructed by
the landowner prior to March 2, 2018.

No old gates coming down, if its gated up, still going to be gated up

Maybe I navigate with a trolling motor. As long as my boat is moving I'm navigating. And while I'm navigating I can surely fish for our public resource.

[Duck Butter]

Originally Posted by Feesherman

Maybe I navigate with a trolling motor. As long as my boat is moving I'm navigating. And while I'm navigating I can surely fish for our public resource.

I agree with you, but unless wording is put in there for fishing, its a dead duck

Ol boy in NE LA already set the precedent. MS River came up several years ago and you could boat into Gassoway Lake (private landlocked lake full of big fish near the MS River). Guy went in there fishing and got arrested several times claiming it navigable waters and the Public Trust Doctrine. Judge said navigable doesn't mean you can fish it. The rules were put there in place for people traveling up and down the river way back when. They were allowed to tie up and dry their nets, but fishing over private water bottoms was never specified.

Something needs to change for sure, and this movement is needed, but this bill is not addressing what needs addressing.

["W"]

Originally Posted by Duck Butter

HB 391 Original 2018 Regular Session Pearson
Abstract: Provides for the public navigation of running waters, including those running waters passing over any privately owned water bottom directly connected to a state-owned waterbottom that is subject to the ebb and flow of the tide.
http://www.legis.la.gov/legis/ViewDo...aspx?d=1071594


Sorry guys, aint no new fishing grounds going to open up with this bill. You can drive through it, but dont stop to fish

Proposed law provides that no person may prohibit the public navigation of running waters which
are navigable by a motorboat required to be registered or numbered pursuant to the laws of this state
or the U.S., except where navigation has been prevented or impeded by an obstacle constructed by
the landowner prior to March 2, 2018.

No old gates coming down, if its gated up, still going to be gated up

This bill has added amendments to it already
You need to get the updated version


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[biggun]

Did any of u know or care about your hunting and fishing license in going up? Does anyone of you know your saltwater license is going up to $13.50... But get this.. For $13.50 you can also tong for oysters and troll for shrimp... don?t know about u all... But adding tonging and trolling to my saltwater license is a little cra cra... I?m totally against this license fee increase on that alone... I?m all for helping to get more money to WLF to help run the department...

[Duck Butter]

Originally Posted by biggun

Did any of u know or care about your hunting and fishing license in going up? Does anyone of you know your saltwater license is going up to $13.50... But get this.. For $13.50 you can also tong for oysters and troll for shrimp... don?t know about u all... But adding tonging and trolling to my saltwater license is a little cra cra... I?m totally against this license fee increase on that alone... I?m all for helping to get more money to WLF to help run the department...

Saltwater already $13.50, but freshwater will be giong up
http://www.wlf.louisiana.gov/PriceofParadise

Even with all the increases, we will still be the cheapest licenses of any of our neighboring states. Its been a long time coming, dont see anything wrong with it

[redaddiction]

I think my biggest question is why do all landowners ( mostly oil companies) not want people fishing the waters on their land? What does it hurt? If its about liability then that can be addressed in simple legislation. Couldn?t it? Meaning ?fish at your own risk?.

[Duck Butter]

Originally Posted by redaddiction

I think my biggest question is why do all landowners ( mostly oil companies) not want people fishing the waters on their land? What does it hurt? If its about liability then that can be addressed in simple legislation. Couldn?t it? Meaning ?fish at your own risk?.

We tear stuff up and trash places down here unfortunately. Go to a public launch or public fishing spot and look at the trash that people leave behind.

Also liability. People are sue happy. Every other billboard in Louisiana is a lawyer advertisment

its sad, but it is what it is

[biggun]

I totally agree with Duck Butter Bill 391 has wording in that does not help us, fishermen, to have access to fish private canals.. Period...

[boatdriver]

Originally Posted by biggun

I totally agree with Duck Butter Bill 391 has wording in that does not help us, fishermen, to have access to fish private canals.. Period...

You shouldn?t have access to fish ?private? canals, period. Especially, as Noodle said, if it was dug to get through a landowner?s marsh. How is that even a thought? Cause the fish are ?public?? C?mon man. The marsh I hunt/fish in is privately owned. I?m fortunate to have a lease in there. Our neighboring marsh is owned by an individual that bought this chunk a few years back, and people around here know of how good the fishing is in there. Well, he put a gate up. Do I blame him? No! He owns this stuff. It?s going to pose problems in the future. Hell, it does now!

[wishin i was fishin]

Man, expect nothing less from good ole Louisiana. Duck Butter is correct, this law was created for flooded river basins, not tidal areas.

My guess is that they are trying to slip this bill in without anyone reading it.

[noodle creek]

I'm not a land owner, but I don't know as I agree with this for several reasons. I want a legitimate answer to these questions if you decide to respond.

What is the definition of tidal or navigable water?

Why should land owners pay taxes on property that is only accessible by a canal or mud boat trail that they paid to have dug, through LAND, on their property, and why should the general public all of a sudden be allowed access to that?

Natural bayous and rivers that have been around forever are one thing, and I understand that, but pieces of marsh that have land-locked ponds are another thing. Just because someone may want to access their property through means of digging their own trails should not mean the general public can access them as well.

Fishing is one thing, and I'm not so worried about it. Duck hunting is a whole other issue. I think this bill deals mostly with fishing rights, but there is going to be tons of people who think they can go duck hunt any marsh they want now, IF this bill passes. If I buy a piece of property and build a driveway onto it off of a major highway, that doesn't mean the general public can have free use of my land. This should be no different with marshes.

This is going to lead to a lot of chaos, and I think it will only hurt the public. Landowners, and I would too, are going to levee off and build weirs/put up gates to their properties.

[noodle creek]

If all marsh land is free to use as pleased by the public, then there is absolutely zero value on marsh property. Why buy it when you can do as you please for free?

[Ranger]

Originally Posted by noodle creek

If all marsh land is free to use as pleased by the public, then there is absolutely zero value on marsh property. Why buy it when you can do as you please for free?

Bill has ZERO to do with land.

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[Duck Butter]

Originally Posted by Ranger

Bill has ZERO to do with land.

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Let's say I propose a similar bill with land. Two public WMAs are on either side of some private land. Let's say it's your land. Private land smack dab in middle A pipeline company puts s pipeline in the middle of your land and it
goes through both WMAs.

You gonna let the public ride down that pipeline to get to the WMA?

You gonna let them deer hunt the pipeline? After all, it's a public resource

Or are you gonna put up a big gate at each access point

[Ranger]

Originally Posted by Duck Butter

Let's say I propose a similar bill with land. Two public WMAs are on either side of some private land. Let's say it's your land. Private land smack dab in middle A pipeline company puts s pipeline in the middle of your land and it
goes through both WMAs.

You gonna let the public ride down that pipeline to get to the WMA?

You gonna let them deer hunt the pipeline? After all, it's a public resource

Or are you gonna put up a big gate at each access point

When/If that time comes we can have that discussion. THIS BILL HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH LAND.

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[Ranger]

Originally Posted by Duck Butter

Let's say I propose a similar bill with land. Two public WMAs are on either side of some private land. Let's say it's your land. Private land smack dab in middle A pipeline company puts s pipeline in the middle of your land and it
goes through both WMAs.

You gonna let the public ride down that pipeline to get to the WMA?

You gonna let them deer hunt the pipeline? After all, it's a public resource

Or are you gonna put up a big gate at each access point

Try and fence in said property and see what WLF does with their deer on your property. If you want to gate off your marsh then have at it. Just require that the gate doesn't allow fish to travel from public waters onto/from your property. Just like a game fence.

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[noodle creek]

Originally Posted by Ranger

Bill has ZERO to do with land.

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It absolutely does. People dig on their LAND in order to access pices of their own marsh. In cases like this, that water where they dug is only there because they dug a canal or trailer on their property, that at one point was land.

Lets go further. Do you believe that is tidal or navigable too, even thouhh it is not a natural waterway? I'm guessing you will answer yes.

[Ranger]

Originally Posted by noodle creek

It absolutely does. People dig on their LAND in order to access pices of their own marsh. In cases like this, that water where they dug is only there because they dug a canal or trailer on their property, that at one point was land.

Lets go further. Do you believe that is tidal or navigable too, even thouhh it is not a natural waterway? I'm guessing you will answer yes.

Then gate it off so my fish(public) can't go on your property.

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[noodle creek]

Originally Posted by Ranger

Then gate it off so my fish(public) can't go on your property.

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I don't own any land, but IF this thing passes, you better believe gates will be all over the place.

["W"]

Originally Posted by noodle creek

It absolutely does. People dig on their LAND in order to access pices of their own marsh. In cases like this, that water where they dug is only there because they dug a canal or trailer on their property, that at one point was land.



Lets go further. Do you believe that is tidal or navigable too, even thouhh it is not a natural waterway? I'm guessing you will answer yes.

Who?s water are they using to fill up there canal ?
States water
They sure the hell ain?t bringing water hose and 5gall buckets to fill it up
Again had zero to do with land
It?s tidal water only ..

49 other states have zero issues but La seems to have it ..
It?s simple
If Gulf of Mexico waters move it we should be able to fish it
State owns all tidal water

If I?m sitting at Jetties and that same water 5 hours later goes in a marsh it don?t become private.. it?s still tidal waters owned by the state

If land owners don?t want people fishing in marsh
Levee it off and have zero tidal state waters on it
It?s our fish shrimp oysters and crabs not the land owners !!



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