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Having managed hunts of these large animals has made conservation efforts work because the people are actually getting money in their pockets from the hunts. Every other way was pissing money in the wind. |
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I was thinking if he shot it with a cross-bow he was closs enough to see the color, never thought about the mane covering it, good point. |
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Regardless of whether he saw the collar, the PH was arrested for not having a permit and no quota. The hunt was illegal.
Also, Dr. Palmer has been previously convicted of illegal hunting. Killed a black bear and then falsified where he killed it. I'm not against these hunts. I am against dirtbags that give hunters a bad name. And this guy is starting to look like a dirtbag. Why did he try to say the bear was killed somewhere else? Why didn't he check to make sure the PH and farmer had all the necessary permits? What about that quota: could he have determined if there was a quota in that area? Too many questions right now, but the fact that this guy has had issues in the past puts me off. |
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I like how everyone on Facebook became exotic game extraordinaire over night...
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"Oh it's endangered". "I can't believe someone would kill an endangered species." Newsflash Facebook warriors, the Northern black rhino is not endangered. Same thing with that Texas Tech Cheerleader that goes and hunts lions and tigers. None of the species she was hunting and posing with were endangered. But people believe what some website says, and run with it. I wonder how many of these people are doing anything for the conservation of these species? My guess: not very many. |
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here's my .02 which i'm sure is against all popular belief.... i hunt everything possible in this state ducks(all the time), squirrels(all the time), deer occasionally, doves, rabbits, woodcock, and even snipe now and then but........ Even though i dont argue killing "Lions" or "giraffes", i have ZERO urge to shoot those animals unless it would be self-defense which clearly wont ever happen........ I just dont get why ppl would care to spend money to hunt those animals/want to kill them
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These people, Ive seen more people all offended that a guy killed a lion on another continent than people that were offended that a muslim kills 5 of our soldiers on american soil. Just pisses me off.
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It seems to me like the PH may have knowingly violated the law, but there has been no evidence to show that the American hunter knew his guide was setting up an illegal hunt.
Is an American angler breaking the law if he steps onto a guide's boat and the guide takes him to a spot that is in provate water and they are trespassing? I don't think so. There is a legal concept called mens rae. Another example in American law would be a guide taking a customer to hunt waterfowl over a baited field. Should the customer be found guilty if the guide knew the field was baited but the customer was simply tricked by the guide? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mens_rea Customers trust their guides to keep them in compliance with the local laws. |
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Maybe he did ask those things, I don't know. But again, Palmer's record speaks for itself. He has violated hunting laws in the past. Is that an indication that he knowingly did anything wrong here? No. But I believe he isn't going to get the benefit of the doubt like someone who has never broken a law before. Also, if he killed a lion when there was no quota or limit, then yes, he did break the law, whether the PH deceived him or not. I'm sure there is a government agency that he could have checked with to determine if there were quotas for the given area. And again, maybe he did check that, and he was deceived. I'm not sure how the system works over there, but it would seem he could have found out some of this information. Would you go on a sandhill crane hunt in Louisiana without first determining whether you could legally kill a sandhill crane in Louisiana? I wouldn't. If I just assumed because you can kill them in Texas that you can kill them in Louisiana, I would be wrong. To me, its no different than buying something. You research it first before you buy it. If you still get screwed in the end, then at least you did your research and thought you were making a good purchase. There will always be deceiving people in the world. You just have to try and defend yourself against them. |
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Does anyone know they just cut the head off? That sounds like so non hunter explination . Surely they caped/ skinned the entire lion for a full body mount. Maybe they left the meat ? I would bet the trackers kept that meat . I watched my trackers fight over 2 day old organs / guts that sat in a bucket in the sun for 2 days prior so I highly doubt they just let it lay there. With that being said I'm leaning more and more to the animal was poached not hunted legally . Just not sure if hunter knew that going into it . You have to be a pretty big dumb arse to put up 55k for an illegal hunt when there are TONS of legal lion hunts available . Right now is one of the cheapest times to hunt a lion on private land because everyone is scared it will be banned . When I was there I could have shot one for 40k now the same hunt is 20k , my ph calls me 2 times a month trying to get me to come hunt a lion . African hunting is changing , between all the antis and all the game ranches I don't know what the future holds for hunting in Africa
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Come to think of it, I have rarely hunted to eat, mostly nuisance hunting. I do have cool toys though and people think of me when it is time to eliminate some nuisance animals quietly or in high volume... all legal of course.
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Between you and Taylor, I'm sure there is plenty of stuff to eradicate mass amounts of hogs or yotes very quietly and rapidly! |
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Over 2 hours with the fella that hunted the black rhino.
Well worth the listen if you've got the time. Rohan's perspectives are spot on here, while other points of views are sure to turn people off he has an unexpected understanding and passion for hunting. You can also stream it on your podcasts app. |
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This one gets my vote Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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wait...................people snort cocaine out of a hooker's A$$ crack??.............
DAYUM that is cool |
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