Deity debate

[duckman1911]

Originally Posted by barbarian

Actually, not a big fan of Lee Strobel style of writing. I was just trying to find a way to put into words what happened to me. Religion makes it too complicated and its not.

All I know is what happened to me and at 32 years of age, this tiger lost his stripes and came home from work one day and was a different person than who went to work. My wife knew that night and my kids who were 5 & 3 knew something had changed enough to talk about it at day care where their sitter asked my wife what had happened to me. I left that morning a strong nonbeliever and came home knowing that God was real and something happened to me that I can't explain other than it was magical, miraculous, supernatural, etc. I believe because I feel beyond any shadow of a doubt that God revealed himself to be that day. It was a personal experience that had zero to do with anything that I read, heard or church. I know that from experience the more I try to explain my

experience and Christianity that most will scoff even more so this is it for me on this topic. I do believe God gave me this story above to tell every so often. Just felt this was one of those moments. It is not to convince anybody of anything, but to give somebody out there a chance to hear a real life God moment that happened to me in todays time. It happens all the time to people all over the world. It doesn't make me better and definitely not perfect. And in some ways, it has made my life much more difficult.

If anybody would sincerely like to hear more details, shoot me a PM and we can meet for lunch or something.

I don't know your story and won't claim to. I do know the exact moment that I realized God was really there and had given me something so special to show me he was there. It is a night I regret having ever caused but one I am also so very thankfull for. Even above my children I was shown a gift from God so special.

[irokcj5]

Originally Posted by fonikoddity

^^^^ THIS ^^^^

Also, just as important is not placing God in the shadows of everything unknown...because soon enough, we will know those things, and then one may feel the need to argue on God's behalf for some dogmatically held belief!

Neil Degrasse Tyson said this:

"Does it mean, if you don’t understand something, and the community of physicists don’t understand it, that means God did it? Is that how you want to play this game? Because if it is, here’s a list of things in the past that the physicists at the time didn’t understand [enter a bunch of "Sciencey" stuff]...If that’s how you want to invoke your evidence for God, then God is an ever-receding pocket of scientific ignorance that’s getting smaller and smaller and smaller as time moves on - so just be ready for that to happen, if that’s how you want to come at the problem.

Sorry, I don't believe your pretense, and you obviously don't understand my point. Just because we are becoming more and more knowledgeable about science, God is not becoming smaller. I think he becomes more awesome because he created it all. God is the creator of all science. I love science, and physics. We will never understand God (he tells us that too). We are not called to understand, we are called to believe. and it really is 2 answers. Yes, or No. Put me down for a big fat YES!!

[redalertlures]

Originally Posted by duckman1911

Where were the GSW's if you don't mind me asking. I'm no bible scholar and not pretending to be. As long as God gives you another day it's another chance. That I know in my heart.

one in hip and one in left glute muscle...both close to arteries...both during heavy fire....

[fonikoddity]

I completely understood you. I also didn't explain myself well enough.

The operative words were "if/then". I took the quote out of another context to illustrate a point.

Like you said, if we think we understand it all, then, we put God in a box. Also, if we think that it's God's hand in EVERYTHING that we DON'T understand, then we still put God in a box (that grows smaller each day, b/c humans are pretty good at learning new things...just really bad at a host of other things).

My point is, we could all do well to stop putting God in a box.

[MathGeek]

I believe Jesus is Yahweh. He lived a sinless life, died on a cross for my sins, and rose from the grave. It was Jesus who spoke the world into being, told Noah to build an ark, made the promises to Abraham, and delivered Israel from Egypt.

[fishfish]

Originally Posted by duckman1911

Worst of all newfish you aren't even a smart enough troll to realize we're just having fun wasting your time. Probably cutting into your internet porn time. Lets keep going. I have plenty of beer.

Actually, I believe I've won the troll award in a landslide. You're at home worrying about this instead of drinking beer, or fishing. I'm sitting on my rig watching computer screens with nothing to do, and it certainly hasn't cut into my porn time. Me>U

[Clampy]

Any new Earthers here ?
You know. Dinosaurs were put here to test our faith ?

[Goooh]

Originally Posted by MathGeek

I believe Jesus is Yahweh. He lived a sinless life, died on a cross for my sins, and rose from the grave. It was Jesus who spoke the world into being, told Noah to build an ark, made the promises to Abraham, and delivered Israel from Egypt.

Noah's ark..... Now that's an interesting story

[duckman1911]

Originally Posted by fishfish

Actually, I believe I've won the troll award in a landslide. You're at home worrying about this instead of drinking beer, or fishing. I'm sitting on my rig watching computer screens with nothing to do, and it certainly hasn't cut into my porn time. Me>U

Oh I wasn't worrying. I was having fun and drinking beer. Had already got my daily bj so I didn't have much else to do but read your rants. It was quite entertaining I must admit.

[BassYakR]

Bible says earth is about 6,000 years old. How come science proves the earth to be MUCH MUCH older?

[Clampy]

Originally Posted by BassYakR

Bible says earth is about 6,000 years old. How come science proves the earth to be MUCH MUCH older?

Because Science is blasphemous

[BassYakR]

Originally Posted by Clampy

Because Science is blasphemous

This is True! I just like to believe off of Facts.... Not Fiction

[tboy]

Originally Posted by redalertlures

one in hip and one in left glute muscle...both close to arteries...both during heavy fire....

Didn't come to comment on the topic, but Thank You for your service, Sir!

[MathGeek]

Originally Posted by BassYakR

Bible says earth is about 6,000 years old. How come science proves the earth to be MUCH MUCH older?

The Bible doesn't give an age or a date, but provides information that has been reasonably used to draw that conclusion.

The scientific method assumes that miracles do not exist and insists that evidence be interpreted without the possibility of supernatural explanations. With the constraint of not allowing for supernatural explanations, it is not unreasonable to conclude from the physical evidence that the earth and universe are much older.

[BassYakR]

https://video-dfw1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hv...54&oe=55AFFD88

[Clampy]

That's great nate

[keakar]

if you believe in god and turnout to be wrong its no big deal, you still lead a good life.

if you DONT believe in god and turnout to be wrong, IT IS A BIG DEAL, and sadly you will deservedly have a bad afterlife.

take your chances if you want to

god is like a life jacket, both are kinda in the way of you feeling free and unhindered but both are equally there to save you and worth having with you

[btoups]

Like most things in life, we try to overthink and over-complicate things. My beliefs are pretty simple. I know I'm a sinner and that Jesus Christ died on the cross for my sins. I've accepted him as my Lord and Savior and have the assurance that when I die I will go to heaven.

I don't understand everything about God and the bible, but the great thing is that I don't have to.

[Dogface]

Originally Posted by btoups

Like most things in life, we try to overthink and over-complicate things. My beliefs are pretty simple. I know I'm a sinner and that Jesus Christ died on the cross for my sins. I've accepted him as my Lord and Savior and have the assurance that when I die I will go to heaven.

I don't understand everything about God and the bible, but the great thing is that I don't have to.

I agree with you. I have learned that you cannot debate someone into believing. All I know is what has happen in my life and how much better it is now than it was before I was a believer. I don't need to understand any more than my life has been transformed.

[duckman1911]

Believe or don't believe. Say you're going to heaven or say you don't know. We will all find out if we are right or wrong. By then it's too late. Do what is right by you and others and hope for the best. Be honest and do no harm unless the balance needs to be reset then do what must be done to replace order.