What Would You Do?

[Goooh]

If it were my son, I would challenge him to make the decision after he has studied a true history of our country (I.e. Diversity has been our backbone and strongpoint since day one). And challenge him to identify if his decision is based more on feeling like a bad a$$ for standing up, or if it's based on a true need to snuff out any patriotic words being said in a foreign language.

What better way to help someone from another country speak better English then to be able to teach them the meaning of our pledge - he may run across it later in life, and will ultimately let an opportunity slip by to actually make a difference by empowering a newcomer to this country - will he let him walk off and continue with his crappy English? Or will your son be equipped with the power and knowledge to extend his hand?

When I meet people who suck at speaking English, I help them... If you identify the problem and build a wall, you've helped it fester instead of helping to eliminate it (be the solution...)


That being said, I won't judge your boy no matter what path he chooses.

[duckman1911]

Originally Posted by Goooh

If it were my son, I would challenge him to make the decision after he has studied a true history of our country (I.e. Diversity has been our backbone and strongpoint since day one). And challenge him to identify if his decision is based more on feeling like a bad a$$ for standing up, or if it's based on a true need to snuff out any patriotic words being said in a foreign language.

What better way to help someone from another country speak better English then to be able to teach them the meaning of our pledge - he may run across it later in life, and will ultimately let an opportunity slip by to actually make a difference by empowering a newcomer to this country - will he let him walk off and continue with his crappy English? Or will your son be equipped with the power and knowledge to extend his hand?

When I meet people who suck at speaking English, I help them... If you identify the problem and build a wall, you've helped it fester instead of helping to eliminate it (be the solution...)


That being said, I won't judge your boy no matter what path he chooses.

You would just have to know my boy. I havent asked him so im not sure but I wouldnt be surprised if he can already recite the pledge in spanish. He does very well in his spanish class.
It has been previously stated that he has near zero percent chance of ever having to say the pledge outside of America. That being the case I see no need for him to learn it in a foreign language. If that were the case he would need to learn ot in every language just in case. I have a very good friend that is a Hungarian immigrant. He can rattle on in his native language for hours but also speaks perfect English. He said his duty as an outsider was to mold to our society not the other way around. If all immigrants thought that way there would be no issue.

[southLA]

I thought this was a thread about saying the Pledge in another language.

[AceArcher]

Originally Posted by southLA

I thought this was a thread about saying the Pledge in another language.

Yeah this tends to happen a lot around here....

[fishfighter]

Originally Posted by southLA

I thought this was a thread about saying the Pledge in another language.

Originally Posted by AceArcher

Yeah this tends to happen a lot around here....

We all havin some office fisherman a d d cause we havent been fishing

[vincemacpaul]

OK, back to original thread. I don't think any school aged American child should be forced to learn a foreign language as a requirement of his/her HS completion in our American educational system. Elective, great. Required course, no? You were spot on duck. If it becomes an issue later, run it up the school board's flag pole and contact David Vitter. I'm sure there's a handful of class action lawsuits pending already.

[AceArcher]

Originally Posted by vincemacpaul

OK, back to original thread. I don't think any school aged American child should be forced to learn a foreign language as a requirement of his/her HS completion in our American educational system. Elective, great. Required course, no? You were spot on duck. If it becomes an issue later, run it up the school board's flag pole and contact David Vitter. I'm sure there's a handful of class action lawsuits pending already.

You will be saddened to learn that almost all states REQUIRE 2 year foreign language study for graduation then.

[vincemacpaul]

Originally Posted by AceArcher

You will be saddened to learn that almost all states REQUIRE 2 year foreign language study for graduation then.

I am deeply saddened and offended by it.

[simplepeddler]

Originally Posted by vincemacpaul

I am deeply saddened and offended by it.

You simply cannot deny that a second lanquage is a HUGE plus in today's world.
I just spent four hours with a buddy at the Pentagon. He is the CIO of a contractor that is head of our civilian cyberintelligence......(or something like that) He is a retired 1 star general from the Air Force .......he absolutley believes our youth need to have a global outlook on thier furture.

you cannot have that without a second line of communication.

so to the orginal topic......I admire all the views......but we have bigger fish to fry........

[simplepeddler]

The problem is........it's the wrong damn lanquage.........
America is graduating 60,000 engineers a year.......China, Germany and India anywhere from 300-500,000.
It's a good chance he needs to be learning mandarin.......

[AceArcher]

Originally Posted by simplepeddler

The problem is........it's the wrong damn lanquage.........
America is graduating 60,000 engineers a year.......China, Germany and India anywhere from 300-500,000.
It's a good chance he needs to be learning mandarin.......

Yeah lets not even get started on our education system.

[southLA]

Originally Posted by simplepeddler

The problem is........it's the wrong damn lanquage.........
America is graduating 60,000 engineers a year.......China, Germany and India anywhere from 300-500,000.
It's a good chance he needs to be learning mandarin.......

One of my friends interned at a big engineering firm in Baton Rouge recently. Said he had to work with a bunch of Indian engineers (long distance of course) and said they were terrible.

And I believe my friend was only like a sophomore at the time. He's a really freakin smart guy. Still tells ya something though.

[vincemacpaul]

Hi simple. You don't have a buddy in the Pentagon, you never had this conversation and you're acting immature to make your point. You tell the truth, I'll tell the truth. I'll debate your point with you if you want to be honest.

[Goooh]

Originally Posted by vincemacpaul

Hi simple. You don't have a buddy in the Pentagon, you never had this conversation and you're acting immature to make your point. You tell the truth, I'll tell the truth. I'll debate your point with you if you want to be honest.

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You can state opinions like they're fact, but they're still subjective.

[simplepeddler]

Originally Posted by vincemacpaul

Hi simple. You don't have a buddy in the Pentagon, you never had this conversation and you're acting immature to make your point. You tell the truth, I'll tell the truth. I'll debate your point with you if you want to be honest.

Yea, that's me.......my credibility is always in question here.........you ............are in way over your head........

[Duck Butter]

Duckman, you need to nip this in the bud right now, call Walton and Johnston and Hannity or somebody. This is how it starts, they start speaking Spanish and the next thing you know they start serving tacos and enchiladas in the lunchroom. I have already seen it at my sons school. All they serve is foreign foods like pizza and lasagna and spaghetti. Only American food they have is hamburgers and they serve that with FRENCH FRIES Even heard they have breakfast burritos at some of these McDonalds and Sonics.

We are moving out of here because just the other day there were these old men in this store and they were speaking French, we told em this is America homeboys, you speak American here not French. Then we went to a nice place to eat and they had all these foreign words on the menu like beignets and au jus, and if that ain't enough to make a man lose his cool, they had this old man on one of them there accordians singing 'American Pie' in French

Y'all keep thinking this isn't happening but I seent it with my own two eyes. Its happening boys, its happening.

[Duck Butter]

and what the heck is this foreign holiday Mardi Gras or whatever they call it? My son told me they don't have school for two days because they are out for some holiday, them foreigners can kiss my butt trying to force their holidays on us. Last I heard we ain't French anymore


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[mcjaredsandwich]

Originally Posted by Duck Butter

Duckman, you need to nip this in the bud right now, call Walton and Johnston and Hannity or somebody. This is how it starts, they start speaking Spanish and the next thing you know they start serving tacos and enchiladas in the lunchroom. I have already seen it at my sons school. All they serve is foreign foods like pizza and lasagna and spaghetti. Only American food they have is hamburgers and they serve that with FRENCH FRIES Even heard they have breakfast burritos at some of these McDonalds and Sonics.

We are moving out of here because just the other day there were these old men in this store and they were speaking French, we told em this is America homeboys, you speak American here not French. Then we went to a nice place to eat and they had all these foreign words on the menu like beignets and au jus, and if that ain't enough to make a man lose his cool, they had this old man on one of them there accordians singing 'American Pie' in French

Y'all keep thinking this isn't happening but I seent it with my own two eyes. Its happening boys, its happening.

But....But.....Raymond said that French people have assimilated to American culture..

[Duck Butter]

Originally Posted by mcjaredsandwich

But....But.....Raymond said that French people have assimilated to American culture..

has the term 'draconian sanctions' been used yet?

[vincemacpaul]

Haha. Just as I thought my friend. My 2 bottle fed kitties just got the plumbing removed after 6 months and we're all wearing tin foil hats in my lap as they're recovering. Life is good.