Baltimore

[duckman1911]

Originally Posted by Clampy

I started of with one joe now I smoke a pack a day and one day it will kill me.

We reduced cig consumption among everyone and it's really down with kids. We didn't arrest one person to do that. I mean they killed Eric Garner but I digress.

I smoke two packs a day and kill a 12 pack after work. Why? I'm not ballys enough to put a gun in my mouth so I have an installment plan. Don't smoke dope because it taste like sheeet.

[Clampy]

As it should be but that's not the reason use is down

[Pat Babaz]

The world would be a better place without lung cancer and achoholism no doubt, but the USA decided long ago that those would be our two legal vices for people to indulge in.... They are addictive and harmful for sure, but people generally wont rob and kill each other for another cigarette.... Now meth, coke, heroin on the other hand....

[Goooh]

Originally Posted by Pat Babaz

The world would be a better place without lung cancer and achoholism no doubt, but the USA decided long ago that those would be our two legal vices for people to indulge in.... They are addictive and harmful for sure, but people generally wont rob and kill each other for another cigarette.... Now meth, coke, heroin on the other hand....

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[Pat Babaz]

Originally Posted by Goooh

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People generally resort to name calling when they know they have lost the debate... Good luck in your campaign to legalize heroin and let the criminals run wild. You and clampy have fun sucking on the glass pipe together

[jbert22]

Originally Posted by Pat Babaz

People generally resort to name calling when they know they have lost the debate... Good luck in your campaign to legalize heroin and let the criminals run wild. You and clampy have fun sucking on the glass pipe together

Its easy to tell who the dems are in this world isn't it?

[Goooh]

Originally Posted by Pat Babaz

People generally resort to name calling when they know they have lost the debate... Good luck in your campaign to legalize heroin and let the criminals run wild. You and clampy have fun sucking on the glass pipe together

Solid retort

[marshrunner757]

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[Goooh]

I don't think more than 5 people on this site truly see the layers of this argument/problem.

[duckman1911]

Originally Posted by Goooh

I don't think more than 5 people on this site truly see the layers of this argument/problem.

The agrument or the argument as you see it? Yes there are good cops and yes there are bad ones. Is police abuse of power an increasing problem? Yes. Is rioting, looting and destuction of property the way to right a wrong? No. Should rioters be shot? Yes. If they are shot they should be shot by people protecting themselves and their businesses.

[Goooh]

Originally Posted by duckman1911

The agrument or the argument as you see it? Yes there are good cops and yes there are bad ones. Is police abuse of power an increasing problem? Yes. Is rioting, looting and destuction of property the way to right a wrong? No. Should rioters be shot? Yes. If they are shot they should be shot by people protecting themselves and their businesses.

I agree with most of what you said, but more layers exist.

On a side note, if killing people is the answer to stopping them from committing a crime, wouldn't the cops have won the war on drugs already? Wouldn't there be no more crime in the areas where these cops are killing civilians for petty crimes?

Or, is brute force by either side not the answer at the end of the day? Does this retaliation create more retaliation and so on? Police killing to intimidate and prove a point, rioters rioting to intimidate and prove a point in retaliation, police getting more angry and aggressive, rioters children and LEOs children seeing what's going on and festering in and witnessing the acts that provoke the hate their fathers live with. This cycle never ends, just like the Middle East... It goes on for thousand of years.

That's one layer to add. Now start thinking about how to logically eliminate the problems we are seeing on both sides... Here come the other layers

[duckman1911]

Originally Posted by Goooh

I agree with most of what you said, but more layers exist.

On a side note, if killing people is the answer to stopping them from committing a crime, wouldn't the cops have won the war on drugs already? Wouldn't there be no more crime in the areas where these cops are killing civilians for petty crimes?

Or, is brute force by either side not the answer at the end of the day? Does this retaliation create more retaliation and so on? Police killing to intimidate and prove a point, rioters rioting to intimidate and prove a point in retaliation, police getting more angry and aggressive, rioters children and LEOs children seeing what's going on and festering in and witnessing the acts that provoke the hate their fathers live with. This cycle never ends, just like the Middle East... It goes on for thousand of years.

That's one layer to add. Now start thinking about how to logically eliminate the problems we are seeing on both sides... Here come the other layers

I agree but nothing is going to change until cops are truely held accountable for their actions and there is a total culture change on the other side. Until those happen it will remain the same or get worse.

[Armand16]

Originally Posted by Goooh

I don't think more than 5 people on this site truly see the layers of this argument/problem.

And another layer


https://www.facebook.com/35748858110...6002275920549/

[AubreyLaHaye458]

Originally Posted by Armand16

And another layer


https://www.facebook.com/35748858110...6002275920549/

Lmao. I just watched it.


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[Goooh]

Originally Posted by Armand16

And another layer


https://www.facebook.com/35748858110...6002275920549/

Haha, been outta that great divide cuz

Funny, but fake

[PotLikinisAhabbit]

Bruce Jenner is a conservative Christian...

[southern151]

Well, here may be a major kink in everyone's gripe about police brutality. Several sources are reporting(and Allstate Ins confirmed) that this guy was getting a settlement for a neck injury and, had recently had neck surgery.



http://beforeitsnews.com/politics/20...t-2707800.html

[MathGeek]

Originally Posted by southern151

Well, here may be a major kink in everyone's gripe about police brutality. Several sources are reporting(and Allstate Ins confirmed) that this guy was getting a settlement for a neck injury and, had recently had neck surgery.

http://beforeitsnews.com/politics/20...t-2707800.html

If confirmed, this would certainly be an interesting development, but it is not completely exculpatory regarding the police actions. Questions yet to be answered:

1. What was the reasonable suspicion for the original detention? The police have yet to articulate a specific crime he was suspected of that day. Courts have consistently ruled that suspicion of unspecified "criminal activity" is insufficient to detain a suspect. Police need to show that the original detention was legal and justified.

2. Was the "spring assisted" knife really a switchblade as defined by applicable laws? The arrest on this charge needs to be justified.

3. Why wasn't Gray secured with a seatbelt in the police van per protocol? Did failure to secure Gray in a seatbelt contribute to his injury?

4. Why were police so slow in calling for medical assistance?

5. Was Gray intentionally taken for a "rough ride" in the police transport in order to "teach him a lesson"? Even had there been a pre-existing neck injury related to the surgery, failure to properly restrain Gray in the van and intentionally making the ride rough would make the government employees involved culpable.

Even a citizen who has recently had neck surgery and should be resting at home has civil and constitutional rights not to be abused by police. Autopsy results should be able to determine how much force was applied to cause the neck injury. Hopefully, there are high quality CT scans available for review by outside experts.

[MathGeek]

Originally Posted by MathGeek

If confirmed, this would certainly be an interesting development, but it is not completely exculpatory regarding the police actions. Questions yet to be answered:

1. What was the reasonable suspicion for the original detention? The police have yet to articulate a specific crime he was suspected of that day. Courts have consistently ruled that suspicion of unspecified "criminal activity" is insufficient to detain a suspect. Police need to show that the original detention was legal and justified.

2. Was the "spring assisted" knife really a switchblade as defined by applicable laws? The arrest on this charge needs to be justified.

3. Why wasn't Gray secured with a seatbelt in the police van per protocol? Did failure to secure Gray in a seatbelt contribute to his injury?

4. Why were police so slow in calling for medical assistance?

5. Was Gray intentionally taken for a "rough ride" in the police transport in order to "teach him a lesson"? Even had there been a pre-existing neck injury related to the surgery, failure to properly restrain Gray in the van and intentionally making the ride rough would make the government employees involved culpable.

Even a citizen who has recently had neck surgery and should be resting at home has civil and constitutional rights not to be abused by police. Autopsy results should be able to determine how much force was applied to cause the neck injury. Hopefully, there are high quality CT scans available for review by outside experts.

The prosecutor has spoken, “The knife was not a switchblade and is lawful under Maryland law.”

[Marque]

I find it interesting that every time there is a questionable incident involving police most white people I know are willing to give the benefit of the doubt to the policeman. I suspect its because most of them have never had a negitive encounter or been harassed by a cop. I don't think the same can be said for the majority of blacks in the United States. Most of us live in out own little worlds and only catch a glimpse of what life outside of it is like. Its impossible for most of us to understand why people with riot and loot their own communities but none of us come from that world. Ever been to Baltimore? Its a lawless war zone. If I grew up there and all I knew was that way of life, I would probably not care if one day it was burned down. If every time I saw a cop I had to worry about being hassled for being young and black I would probably be pissed off about it. All it takes is one encounter with a abusive LEO to change your perspective. If you have never had your rights violated by a power hungry man child with a badge its an eye opening experience. If it happened to most of us, we would report it through the proper channels or get a lawyer and something would be done about it. Do you think the same could be said for the average black kid in any intercity? I am not in anyway defending whats going on, but I understand why its happening. Its easy to sit back and judge these people, assume that they are all living off the government and selling drugs and are content doing it. It is just not that simple. Imagine growing up abject poverty, live amongst pimps, addicts, drug dealers, have no access to decent education, have no real positive roll models to look up to and have had a front row seat to disfunction your entire life. What would your perspective be? Yes, there are exceptional people that pull themselves out of it but the majority of people are not exceptional. Most people of any color are just average. The average person I know just want to fit in to their surroundings and I think this pretty much explains why the problems in the intercity perpetuate themselves. I don't know what the solution is, maybe there isn't one, but I can't say that I blame them for being pissed. Children scream and holler when they want attention because they don't know any other way to get it, rioting is pretty much the same thing. It's not going to solve anything but it is what happens when the disempowered become fed up with the status quo. Its happened for centuries, it is human nature.