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Old 02-24-2010, 03:05 PM
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Chas.... There is no way you can convince me that you can fish out trout with rod n reel.....you can destroy your estuary and deplete fish but not rod n reel.... I would have to see hard facts and evidence....not ifs,or stipulations





stipulation; a condition, demand, or promise in an agreement or contract.

W, stop butcherin' the English language!
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Old 02-24-2010, 02:55 PM
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I think he means it goes hand in hand...depleted habitat along with sport fisherman, guides, shrimp boats, oyster boats, pollution, mothernature (could be some others) will in the long run deplete the population.
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Old 02-24-2010, 03:04 PM
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I have fished big lake a longtime.... Yes we have some erosion problems but were also laying rocks to prevent this....

As far as our Marsh....Man can not protect it like mother nature.... We are destroying it our selves by controlling our waterways.....you can't control water from its god given course but what the hell do I know.... I just fish out here
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Old 02-24-2010, 03:09 PM
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Them marshes don't hold near the shrimp and bait it did before the weirs.
The Specks don't go up in the marshes anymore either. Cause the marsh
stays full of fresh water now.

The ship channel is what caused all the erosion.
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Old 02-24-2010, 03:24 PM
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Thank you Sulphite for trying to make him understand. Its a lost cause with that one. Don't worry W, you'll get your stipulations soon.
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Old 02-24-2010, 03:54 PM
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Thank you Sulphite for trying to make him understand. Its a lost cause with that one. Don't worry W, you'll get your stipulations soon.
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The ship channel is what caused all the erosion.
the ship channel is also why the trout grow so big

the reason why people aren't catching as many 8+ lbers is b/c people are KEEPING THEM

not as many knew how to fish for them as nowadays, too many texans
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Old 02-24-2010, 03:32 PM
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Not near as much as when I was a young man. The things I see the weirs helped out are crabs and Flounder. They killed the shrimp population back there. If you think there are a lot of shrimp in there, you should have seen it before the weirs and the first couple years after. I can hook you up with a couple fellers who used to shrimp the private marshes. They will tell you what it did.
And after Rita, when the levees were blasted open, there were suddenly a buttload of shrimp back there again. Fix the levees and the shrimp fall off again.
Everything eats shrimp. More shrimp, more healthy fisheries.
There should be a better way to fix the marshes than to block them off.

Flounder and Reds are always pretty good back up in there.
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Not near as much as when I was a young man. The things I see the weirs helped out are crabs and Flounder. They killed the shrimp population back there. If you think there are a lot of shrimp in there, you should have seen it before the weirs and the first couple years after. I can hook you up with a couple fellers who used to shrimp the private marshes. They will tell you what it did.
And after Rita, when the levees were blasted open, there were suddenly a buttload of shrimp back there again. Fix the levees and the shrimp fall off again.
Everything eats shrimp. More shrimp, more healthy fisheries.
There should be a better way to fix the marshes than to block them off.

Flounder and Reds are always pretty good back up in there.
Yeah that was some good fishing...trout were were in there thick...

do we let the marsh erode or do we protect the fish? Do we protect people, property, roads or the fish.

We have chosen to change mother nature with the ship channel...but regardless marshes etc will change over hundreds of years without human interaction.
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yep! Ship Channel big part of mystique of Big Lake. Direct line from gulf to the flats helps those trout get big!

Lots of pressure from many anglers, not just texans, but Houston, TX, one of the US' largest cities is just 2 hours away. They are over here often. Just call a taxidermist in Houston area and ask him where most his trout come from!
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So when God created the marshes around big lake were they intended to be fresh or saltwater marshes??????? Is a marsh not a main food supply? I guess I missed that science class when we were told that we needed weirs to control our saltwater marshes!!!!
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My dad still often tells stories of when they used to go to "Black Lake" and rent a boat and paddle out to catch white perch all day long. He said it was a big fresh water lake....
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My dad still often tells stories of when they used to go to "Black Lake" and rent a boat and paddle out to catch white perch all day long. He said it was a big fresh water lake....
Wow...thats crazy.
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So when God created the marshes around big lake were they intended to be fresh or saltwater marshes??????? Is a marsh not a main food supply? I guess I missed that science class when we were told that we needed weirs to control our saltwater marshes!!!!
The levees and canals etc have changed the "natural" marsh...therefore it does not follow the natural course of nature. The marsh is killed by too much salt water and erosion occurs. thus leading to land loss, leading to a hurricane wiping out all coastal areas.

Is this correct?? Yak or Heavy?

IDK...Making my head hurt...
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The levees and canals etc have changed the "natural" marsh...therefore it does not follow the natural course of nature. The marsh is killed by too much salt water and erosion occurs. thus leading to land loss, leading to a hurricane wiping out all coastal areas.

Is this correct?? Yak or Heavy?

IDK...Making my head hurt...
you are correct sir! if you think about it anything above the coast should not be saltwater at all. there is no river of saltwater flowing from north to south so there are no natural saltwater marshes above the beaches of louisiana.
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W....You trying to cross mojinate this thread with your weir thread??
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My dad caught a tarpon on a sparkle beetle at 210 with 10lb test on joe lanzas hole
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My dad caught a tarpon on a sparkle beetle at 210 with 10lb test on joe lanzas hole
Go into Gordons Drug Store and talk with George Paret. He always talks of those stories. Hell, they still catch tarpon in Galveston and in Grand Isle/Venice. Wish they still swam the lake!!! Man could you imagine throwing a big topwater in the summer at Long Point and having a tarpon explode on it!
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Go into Gordons Drug Store and talk with George Paret. He always talks of those stories. Hell, they still catch tarpon in Galveston and in Grand Isle/Venice. Wish they still swam the lake!!! Man could you imagine throwing a big topwater in the summer at Long Point and having a tarpon explode on it!
I think I would crap my pants.
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Any of you ever notice the 2 big Cypress stumps in Turners? My dad used to tell me when he was a kid, they caught many bass in Big Lake.

On the other hand, I vividly remember sitting at the mouth of West pass and catching our 100 fish in a few hours many weekends while they were netting tons of trout in West Cove.

There are not the fish in the Calcasieu Estuary that there was 30 or 40 years ago.
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