Baltimore

[B-Stealth]

Originally Posted by Marque

I find it interesting that every time there is a questionable incident involving police most white people I know are willing to give the benefit of the doubt to the policeman. I suspect its because most of them have never had a negitive encounter or been harassed by a cop. I don't think the same can be said for the majority of blacks in the United States. Most of us live in out own little worlds and only catch a glimpse of what life outside of it is like. Its impossible for most of us to understand why people with riot and loot their own communities but none of us come from that world. Ever been to Baltimore? Its a lawless war zone. If I grew up there and all I knew was that way of life, I would probably not care if one day it was burned down. If every time I saw a cop I had to worry about being hassled for being young and black I would probably be pissed off about it. All it takes is one encounter with a abusive LEO to change your perspective. If you have never had your rights violated by a power hungry man child with a badge its an eye opening experience. If it happened to most of us, we would report it through the proper channels or get a lawyer and something would be done about it. Do you think the same could be said for the average black kid in any intercity? I am not in anyway defending whats going on, but I understand why its happening. Its easy to sit back and judge these people, assume that they are all living off the government and selling drugs and are content doing it. It is just not that simple. Imagine growing up abject poverty, live amongst pimps, addicts, drug dealers, have no access to decent education, have no real positive roll models to look up to and have had a front row seat to disfunction your entire life. What would your perspective be? Yes, there are exceptional people that pull themselves out of it but the majority of people are not exceptional. Most people of any color are just average. The average person I know just want to fit in to their surroundings and I think this pretty much explains why the problems in the intercity perpetuate themselves. I don't know what the solution is, maybe there isn't one, but I can't say that I blame them for being pissed. Children scream and holler when they want attention because they don't know any other way to get it, rioting is pretty much the same thing. It's not going to solve anything but it is what happens when the disempowered become fed up with the status quo. Its happened for centuries, it is human nature.

Ok, can't hold my tongue any longer.
Do you have any idea what the federal Goverment does for failing or low income schools?
They provide them with funding to buy supplies that a school like Barbe would love to have.
When it comes to funding education, the schools that suffer the most are: Schools with high test scores, that don't accept out of zone "bused in" kids.
The govt chooses to pump money into the failing schools, but money does not solve the problem.
Things have changed in the education system, the "ghetto" schools now have way more resources at their disposal.

The lack PERSONAL ACCOUNTABILITY- is the root cause for these failing schools ect. Parents are not in involved in a positive way. There involvement consist of why did u fail my kid?

Enough with that, let's move on to why people are being shot by cops.

The short answer is people don't fear cops, but they should.

Cops are not trained robots, they are human beings with guns. If you resist arrest or create a situation where the LEO must pursue IMO you are putting yourself at risk for injury or death.

[BassYakR]

Originally Posted by B-Stealth

Ok, can't hold my tongue any longer.
Do you have any idea what the federal Goverment does for failing or low income schools?
They provide them with funding to buy supplies that a school like Barbe would love to have.
When it comes to funding education, the schools that suffer the most are: Schools with high test scores, that don't accept out of zone "bused in" kids.
The govt chooses to pump money into the failing schools, but money does not solve the problem.
Things have changed in the education system, the "ghetto" schools now have way more resources at their disposal.

The lack PERSONAL ACCOUNTABILITY- is the root cause for these failing schools ect. Parents are not in involved in a positive way. There involvement consist of why did u fail my kid?

Enough with that, let's move on to why people are being shot by cops.

The short answer is people don't fear cops, but they should.

Cops are not trained robots, they are human beings with guns. If you resist arrest or create a situation where the LEO must pursue IMO you are putting yourself at risk for injury or death.

I agree with you 100% Law abiding ppl are not the ones being harmed by these cops!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Its criminals that make the choice to fight them, run from them, and intend to do harm to them. Now im not saying the cops are doing the right thing in all of the instances that have happend. Some have killed when they should not have. They should be punished as you or I would be.

[duckman1911]

Originally Posted by B-Stealth

Ok, can't hold my tongue any longer.
Do you have any idea what the federal Goverment does for failing or low income schools?
They provide them with funding to buy supplies that a school like Barbe would love to have.
When it comes to funding education, the schools that suffer the most are: Schools with high test scores, that don't accept out of zone "bused in" kids.
The govt chooses to pump money into the failing schools, but money does not solve the problem.
Things have changed in the education system, the "ghetto" schools now have way more resources at their disposal.

The lack PERSONAL ACCOUNTABILITY- is the root cause for these failing schools ect. Parents are not in involved in a positive way. There involvement consist of why did u fail my kid?

Enough with that, let's move on to why people are being shot by cops.

The short answer is people don't fear cops, but they should.

Cops are not trained robots, they are human beings with guns. If you resist arrest or create a situation where the LEO must pursue IMO you are putting yourself at risk for injury or death.

So are you saying you must blindly obey any command given by police or they can go in guns blazing? BS. Just because he has a badge and a gun doesn't make him right. They are not the law they are law enforcement and half of them don't know what the laws are.
Why should a cop be feared? Protect and serve not be feared. The problem is that they are causing people to fear them. I don't fear them but I don't trust them and I view them as a potential threat. Trust me I have dealt with a lot of dumb sheet cops that shouldn't have a sharpened pencil much less a gun.

[B-Stealth]

Originally Posted by duckman1911

So are you saying you must blindly obey any command given by police or they can go in guns blazing? BS. Just because he has a badge and a gun doesn't make him right. They are not the law they are law enforcement and half of them don't know what the laws are.
Why should a cop be feared? Protect and serve not be feared. The problem is that they are causing people to fear them. I don't fear them but I don't trust them and I view them as a potential threat. Trust me I have dealt with a lot of dumb sheet cops that shouldn't have a sharpened pencil much less a gun.

Duckman Its obvious to me that you have a problem with authority and possibly your ego.

Yes your 100% correct the cop may not be right but guess what your dead who won that game of chicken...Nobody

My whole reasoning to obey a cops command is the risk of them making a poor decisions. To me it's a matter of self preservation. If something goes down that was handled incorrectly by a LEO, you have a much better chance of "winning" if you remain calm, listen; then handle the situation afterwards with a lawyer.

When I was 16 I was caught drinking outside a bar in New Orleans; and received a minor in possession of alcohol. There was a moment where I thought about running from the cop; I thought I'm younger, faster and can prob get away. Then a little voice told me, if he caught me I would have hell to pay for making him take chase.

[southern151]

Originally Posted by B-Stealth

Duckman Its obvious to me that you have a problem with authority and possibly your ego.

Yes your 100% correct the cop may not be right but guess what your dead who won that game of chicken...Nobody

My whole reasoning to obey a cops command is the risk of them making a poor decisions. To me it's a matter of self preservation. If something goes down that was handled incorrectly by a LEO, you have a much better chance of "winning" if you remain calm, listen; then handle the situation afterwards with a lawyer.

When I was 16 I was caught drinking outside a bar in New Orleans; and received a minor in possession of alcohol. There was a moment where I thought about running from the cop; I thought I'm younger, faster and can prob get away. Then a little voice told me, if he caught me I would have hell to pay for making him take chase.

I agree. The guy with the pistols, right or wrong, is the instant winner. The "I know my rights!" attitude when, even though you were right, got you shot to death. Put up with a little stupidity and, live. Smack stupidity with a lawsuit or complaint after the fact and, you may actually be the victor in the matter.

All of these "I know my rights types" claim they don't have to listen and, whatever else but, kinda like the 300# dude that wants to fight you at bar closing time, for no reason, your best bet is to find a way out of it other than the altercation. Yeah, he's a jerk and, you did nothing to him but, he's apt to put your butt down if you choose to engage. Yes, SOME cops are just like a 300# bully at closing time.

In closing, please keep it civil so that this can stay in open forum. I really have enjoyed reading the different views thus far.

[duckman1911]

Originally Posted by B-Stealth

Duckman Its obvious to me that you have a problem with authority and possibly your ego.

Yes your 100% correct the cop may not be right but guess what your dead who won that game of chicken...Nobody

My whole reasoning to obey a cops command is the risk of them making a poor decisions. To me it's a matter of self preservation. If something goes down that was handled incorrectly by a LEO, you have a much better chance of "winning" if you remain calm, listen; then handle the situation afterwards with a lawyer.

When I was 16 I was caught drinking outside a bar in New Orleans; and received a minor in possession of alcohol. There was a moment where I thought about running from the cop; I thought I'm younger, faster and can prob get away. Then a little voice told me, if he caught me I would have hell to pay for making him take chase.

Your assumption that I am the dead one is vastly exaggerated. I have shot many many combat pistol matches against cops and have beat most of them.
Furthermore I have no issue with authority as long as that authority is used justly and within reason. I'm sorry that unlike you I refuse o bow like a puppy that has been beat too much. Have fun being a slave.

[duckman1911]

Originally Posted by B-Stealth

Duckman Its obvious to me that you have a problem with authority and possibly your ego.

Yes your 100% correct the cop may not be right but guess what your dead who won that game of chicken...Nobody

My whole reasoning to obey a cops command is the risk of them making a poor decisions. To me it's a matter of self preservation. If something goes down that was handled incorrectly by a LEO, you have a much better chance of "winning" if you remain calm, listen; then handle the situation afterwards with a lawyer.

When I was 16 I was caught drinking outside a bar in New Orleans; and received a minor in possession of alcohol. There was a moment where I thought about running from the cop; I thought I'm younger, faster and can prob get away. Then a little voice told me, if he caught me I would have hell to pay for making him take chase.

So if you would have ran from the cop he would have all rights to gun you down? You should have tried that. It would be great to see if he could shoot good enough. Try it but get a friend to video it. I want to see if you make it

[southern151]

Originally Posted by Marque

I find it interesting that every time there is a questionable incident involving police most white people I know are willing to give the benefit of the doubt to the policeman. I suspect its because most of them have never had a negitive encounter or been harassed by a cop. I don't think the same can be said for the majority of blacks in the United States. Most of us live in out own little worlds and only catch a glimpse of what life outside of it is like. Its impossible for most of us to understand why people with riot and loot their own communities but none of us come from that world. Ever been to Baltimore? Its a lawless war zone. If I grew up there and all I knew was that way of life, I would probably not care if one day it was burned down. If every time I saw a cop I had to worry about being hassled for being young and black I would probably be pissed off about it. All it takes is one encounter with a abusive LEO to change your perspective. If you have never had your rights violated by a power hungry man child with a badge its an eye opening experience. If it happened to most of us, we would report it through the proper channels or get a lawyer and something would be done about it. Do you think the same could be said for the average black kid in any intercity? I am not in anyway defending whats going on, but I understand why its happening. Its easy to sit back and judge these people, assume that they are all living off the government and selling drugs and are content doing it. It is just not that simple. Imagine growing up abject poverty, live amongst pimps, addicts, drug dealers, have no access to decent education, have no real positive roll models to look up to and have had a front row seat to disfunction your entire life. What would your perspective be? Yes, there are exceptional people that pull themselves out of it but the majority of people are not exceptional. Most people of any color are just average. The average person I know just want to fit in to their surroundings and I think this pretty much explains why the problems in the intercity perpetuate themselves. I don't know what the solution is, maybe there isn't one, but I can't say that I blame them for being pissed. Children scream and holler when they want attention because they don't know any other way to get it, rioting is pretty much the same thing. It's not going to solve anything but it is what happens when the disempowered become fed up with the status quo. Its happened for centuries, it is human nature.

" Children scream and holler when they want attention because they don't know any other way to get it, rioting is pretty much the same thing."

You are somewhat correct here. The part you are missing is children with no discipline act this way. They are acting like a bunch of unruly little kids when they should be acting like responsible adults. No one taught them better and, that starts at home. So, before I go feeling guilty of being white, I'll say that a bunch of people's parents failed them terribly.

[Marque]

No amount of money, or government program can fix what's broken. The fact that inner city schools get big money doesn't change the fact that schools are still substandard. They are substandard because the students that attend them are raised in disfunction.

I wasn't making excuses for anybody involved in this $hit. The situation has been bad for a long time and it's not going to change itself because we all think it should.

There's nothing anyone on the outside can do to improve what's going on here but it goes way beyond people not listening to what cops tell them to do.

I don't feel any guilt for being white, I just believe there is way more to it than most of you do. That's really the only point I was trying to make.

I shoulda just kept my mouth shut. No politics, religion, sex is the way to go.


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[marshrunner757]

Just like the US going overseas trying to change the foreigners to be civilized. You look at any conflict where the US said they was helping them. Its for nothing. These people are raised like animals. Always have been and always will be. I realize this is on our on soil but you can't "fix" stupid. Nothing but a bunch of useless thugs.

[BassYakR]

Play stupid games..... Win stupid prizes

[BuckingFastard]

i like turtles

[simplepeddler]

Personal accountability and responsibility cannot be bought by government handouts........nor can it be taught by brutal punishment.

It has to be nurtured into an individual over time.

In the case of an animal, say a unruly pit bull, with enough lashing out, biting the hand that feeds them, we put them down.

With humans, it becomes much more complicated.

[Smalls]

I'm curious how "all the bad things" associated with drugs would go away if they were legal? And what drugs are we talking about here? I mean, if we are just talking about drugs in general, I would really love to know how legalized cocaine would eliminate overdoses.....

I'll wait.

I got really mad today reading posts on Facebook about the situation in Baltimore. Saw several people stating that "white people" need to take responsibility for what we are doing to minorities. I really take offense to that insinuation that I am responsible for what is going on across this country. Like I owe someone something. I haven't done a single thing to anyone of any race, and these people have the nerve to act as though EVERY white person should own up to this?!?!

This is what worries me. That I'm going to be minding my own business one day, and someone is going to come after me simply because I'm white. This generalization that is happening in our country is a slippery slope.

"All cops are bad."

"All white people discriminate against and oppress minorities."

Dangerous ideas.

[simplepeddler]

I am thankful for the 10's of thousands of good and even great LEO......and I trust that they know the law damn well better than I do.

To assume you know more about the law than a LEO does might be a tragic mis judgement.

You have very little "rights" when you put your hand on an officer......at that very moment, he has every right to defend himself.

When you wrestle with a LEO and expect to "win" you prove you are a very very shallow person.

You can be as smart a **** Tracey, but you push on a cop and you are just being **** at that point.

I would venture to bet that the amount of cop brutality cases versue the amount of times they are engaged with the public is less than one tenth of one percent as a nation.

We have GREAT officers in our small towns, many are family to the town.

My dad as chief arrested 150 or so people over his first and only term.
In a town of 650 voters he only lost by less than 50 votes.......goes to show.......most people, given the light of day and a sober slumber, realize the just how stupid they where the night before

[duckman1911]

Originally Posted by simplepeddler

I am thankful for the 10's of thousands of good and even great LEO......and I trust that they know the law damn well better than I do.

To assume you know more about the law than a LEO does might be a tragic mis judgement.

You have very little "rights" when you put your hand on an officer......at that very moment, he has every right to defend himself.

When you wrestle with a LEO and expect to "win" you prove you are a very very shallow person.

You can be as smart a **** Tracey, but you push on a cop and you are just being **** at that point.

I would venture to bet that the amount of cop brutality cases versue the amount of times they are engaged with the public is less than one tenth of one percent as a nation.

We have GREAT officers in our small towns, many are family to the town.

My dad as chief arrested 150 or so people over his first and only term.
In a town of 650 voters he only lost by less than 50 votes.......goes to show.......most people, given the light of day and a sober slumber, realize the just how stupid they where the night before

Good point. What happens when a cop puts his hands on you? Should you be allowed to defend yourself or should you just bow to their self imposed authority? Granted I am talking about a cop acting out of line. To me it has nothing to do with cop or not. You threaten me and I will defend myself accordingly. You wearing a badge just lets me know you have a vest on and I need to make head shots. PERIOD.

[simplepeddler]

the devil destroys one small "give in" at a time.....we have given in to cigs and alcohol....I am drinking a bourbon now.....

But abuse of both as ruined literally millions of lives directly and 100's of millions indirectly......

that can't be argued.

[simplepeddler]

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if this is accurate........this is a LARGE first step

[jbert22]

Originally Posted by simplepeddler

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if this is accurate........this is a LARGE first step

I get the gist of you're post but I wish there were more like these guys

[duckman1911]

Originally Posted by simplepeddler

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if this is accurate........this is a LARGE first step

Good people. Any person can be trash. Race doesn't dictate that. Personal responsibility dictates what person you are.