Thank You

[ifsteve]

Originally Posted by "W"

CCA sheep will tell you "sit Tight " great things are coming

LMAO I have so many contacts though fishing industry and not one has anything good to say about the CCA

This past week CCA was a cuss word as just about every guide was offshore catching 20-50 triple tail and only able to keep 3 -6 due to 18inch law

One cussed out the poor biologist guy taking fish surveys last weekend and the guy said man that is your CCA

During our rain delay today the CCA was bashed for over an hour by fisherman the ones who they are supposed to support

Sad when every fisherman can't stand the only conservation group in the state !!!

Damn shame CCA is our enemy and slave to old money and I speak for lots of great fisherman who don't get in the internet

What a most entertaining thread. There is more double speak and contradictions on here from both sides that it is impossible for anyone to form a knowledgeable position. But this post was the one that finally broke me to have to respond.

W you spend a ton of time on here chiding people and entities whenever there is a discussion on the resource to make sure they are backing it up with sound scientific data. To which I fully support.

And in line with that on the subject of guides keeping their limits you blasted the NOLA Times article that quoted two guides anecdotal stories of how they just don't see the fish numbers they used to. Not scientific evidence you said.

But RIGHT HERE you contradict yourself when talking about 3tails and pointing to the guides catching so many 3tails that the inferred point is that there have to be oodles of them.

I have absolutely zero idea on the state of 3tails BUT if anecdotal input from guides is ok for them then it is EQUALLY valid to use in discussing the state of other fisheries.

You can't pick and choose when you want to play the science card.

["W"]

Originally Posted by ifsteve

What a most entertaining thread. There is more double speak and contradictions on here from both sides that it is impossible for anyone to form a knowledgeable position. But this post was the one that finally broke me to have to respond.

W you spend a ton of time on here chiding people and entities whenever there is a discussion on the resource to make sure they are backing it up with sound scientific data. To which I fully support.

And in line with that on the subject of guides keeping their limits you blasted the NOLA Times article that quoted two guides anecdotal stories of how they just don't see the fish numbers they used to. Not scientific evidence you said.

But RIGHT HERE you contradict yourself when talking about 3tails and pointing to the guides catching so many 3tails that the inferred point is that there have to be oodles of them.

I have absolutely zero idea on the state of 3tails BUT if anecdotal input from guides is ok for them then it is EQUALLY valid to use in discussing the state of other fisheries.

You can't pick and choose when you want to play the science card.

What in the hell are you talking about ?! The State of La has ZERO

Big red O on triple tail research !!


I did not support a limit in 3 tail there should be zero until we have the data

I'm all for data and science so what are you talking about?

[Top Dawg]

Originally Posted by ifsteve

What a most entertaining thread. There is more double speak and contradictions on here from both sides that it is impossible for anyone to form a knowledgeable position. But this post was the one that finally broke me to have to respond.

W you spend a ton of time on here chiding people and entities whenever there is a discussion on the resource to make sure they are backing it up with sound scientific data. To which I fully support.

And in line with that on the subject of guides keeping their limits you blasted the NOLA Times article that quoted two guides anecdotal stories of how they just don't see the fish numbers they used to. Not scientific evidence you said.

But RIGHT HERE you contradict yourself when talking about 3tails and pointing to the guides catching so many 3tails that the inferred point is that there have to be oodles of them.

I have absolutely zero idea on the state of 3tails BUT if anecdotal input from guides is ok for them then it is EQUALLY valid to use in discussing the state of other fisheries.

You can't pick and choose when you want to play the science card.

Dude u don't know

[mr crab]

Originally Posted by "W"

CCA sheep will tell you "sit Tight " great things are coming

LMAO I have so many contacts though fishing industry and not one has anything good to say about the CCA

This past week CCA was a cuss word as just about every guide was offshore catching 20-50 triple tail and only able to keep 3 -6 due to 18inch law

One cussed out the poor biologist guy taking fish surveys last weekend and the guy said man that is your CCA

During our rain delay today the CCA was bashed for over an hour by fisherman the ones who they are supposed to support

Sad when every fisherman can't stand the only conservation group in the state !!!

Damn shame CCA is our enemy and slave to old money and I speak for lots of great fisherman who don't get in the internet

Hey man...there is no minimum size limit or bag limit on triple tail in federal waters.....listen to what I'm trying to tell ya'll. I ain't posting pics, but thats the rules I'm abiding by.

[mr crab]

Originally Posted by mr crab

Hey man...there is no minimum size limit or bag limit on triple tail in federal waters.....listen to what I'm trying to tell ya'll. I ain't posting pics, but thats the rules I'm abiding by.

No warden at the ramp can prove where the fish were caught. And they prolly don't care. Now, if you meet a badge on the water....different story. But honestly, outta Sabine jetties, more trips are caught in fed waters than state anyways. It's just most fishermen choose to abide by the state reg instead of the fed reg. thats ridiculous to me since the state reg allows 4 red snaps per day and the fed reg allows zero. I ain't gonna get screwed on both, but hey, thats just me

["W"]

Hey man

It's a Social cause !!


Enough with the CCA I'm going try to beat the rain and kill 60 trout while I still can

[specknation]

It seems here in the East most guys that join CCA do it more of social thing to do. Most are fare weather type fisherman, and just think it's cool to go to the meetings and get prizes and get liquored up. I went to a local meeting 10 years ago and realize 80% of these guys are live bait chunkers, and have not a clue on how to fish. They just want GPS cords and a livewell full of live shrimp and 7 powerpoles on the back of there 70,000 bay boats. With all that being said ,if that's what floats there boat no problem with me. After working 10 years with LDWF in marine research and never ever seeing or talking to a CCA person I knew not to expect much from them.

[Natural Light Kid]

W, I thought you said you were done about 5 posts ago. Anyway, how long we're you a member of cca? How many conservation projects did you champion for the Calcasieau estuary during that time? I'm not trying to call you out, I am just wondering.

["W"]

Originally Posted by Natural Light Kid

W, I thought you said you were done about 5 posts ago. Anyway, how long we're you a member of cca? How many conservation projects did you champion for the Calcasieau estuary during that time? I'm not trying to call you out, I am just wondering.

I don't campaign I'm not a politician

But I have done plenty and still doing

At one time I probably tagged the most fish ever in this estuary
After both Hurricanes Rita and Ike I was out on the water tagging and locating debris for removel
Today I'm working with a group of guys that will be involved with the rocking of the wash out and 9mile project to lower the salinity in the lake
What have you done?

[BuckingFastard]

Originally Posted by "W"

I don't campaign I'm not a politician

But I have done plenty and still doing

At one time I probably tagged the most fish ever in this estuary
After both Hurricanes Rita and Ike I was out on the water tagging and locating debris for removel
Today I'm working with a group of guys that will be involved with the rocking of the wash out and 9mile project to lower the salinity in the lake
What have you done?

seems hes at least been there and has tried to voice his opinion which is all he needs to do. hes done more though apparently. the thing is, we pay CC-fn-A to do this crap for us!! they dont! i just cant comprehend how its not understood. none of us "haters" are trying to point anyone out. just want something to be done correctly. just like mathgeek said, they just sitting back and getting fat off this.

[BuckingFastard]

i meant to quote natrual light guy in that also since he was calling out someone he has no clue about and got shut down.

[Natural Light Kid]

Originally Posted by BuckingFastard

i meant to quote natrual light guy in that also since he was calling out someone he has no clue about and got shut down.

Get off your knees man. Like I said, I wasn't trying to call him out. More giving him a chance to show people what he has done rather than going around quoting anonymous people. There is no doubt w has done more than me. I have done very little nor do I pretend that I have. At this stage in my life, I am barely a recreational fisherman anymore. Honestly I do not have the time or energy to help as much as I would like. I wish some people (notice how I didn't call out lil w) would do more and say less. Some are full of personal opinion and that's fine. Just don't get mad when someone else's personal opinion doesn't jive with yours. I'm not saying I'm for or against CCA. I'm for big lake and whatever/whoever it takes. I do get a kick though how much time some spend on this sight. I read and post when I have a chance (bathroom, waiting in lobby, etc.). Some of y'all take these postings way too serious. This is the closest thing I do to twitter, Facebook, etc. My family, friends, career, etc. are way to precious to me to spend that much time on here. However, I do get a kick out of the internet muscles that pop up, empty threats of never posting again, my daddy can beat up your daddy kind of stuff that takes place on here. Great entertainment.

[BuckingFastard]

what does anyone have to prove to you? nobody asked how diligently you use your time during the day either. i did say, dont call people out that you dont know. i dont know w at all but i do know that he doesnt like the same ideas that i dont in this matter. aint a matter of getting on your knees. this idea that were discussing here is NOT my personal opinion... apparent to say the least since there have been 100 threads with many pages of crap talk about EVERYONES personal take on it.

[BuckingFastard]

Originally Posted by BuckingFastard

what does anyone have to prove to you? nobody asked how diligently you use your time during the day either. i did say, dont call people out that you dont know. i dont know w at all but i do know that he doesnt like the same ideas that i dont in this matter. aint a matter of getting on your knees. this idea that were discussing here is NOT my personal opinion... apparent to say the least since there have been 100 threads with many pages of crap talk about EVERYONES personal take on it.

i would have quoted "slickfish" if he made you eat your words just like that. you stuck your neck out and now youre offended. youre the one who just started talking smack about getting on knees...

[Natural Light Kid]

W
This question is specifically for you. What do you recommend for someone in my position? Not much money and hardly any time to donate to the cause of helping the Calcasieu estuary. In the past I have been a member of CCA and participated in STAR. Do you have a better idea of where those dollars should go if CCA is such a horrible organization? For the record, it was at a CCA banquet that I met you at years ago. You were wearing a starched fishing shirt and taking money at the door lol.

[MathGeek]

Originally Posted by Natural Light Kid

W
This question is specifically for you. What do you recommend for someone in my position? Not much money and hardly any time to donate to the cause of helping the Calcasieu estuary. In the past I have been a member of CCA and participated in STAR. Do you have a better idea of where those dollars should go if CCA is such a horrible organization?

I'd recommend keeping your money in your pocket for now. Why the feeling that you need to give to a "conservation" organization to "do something"?

Writing to the Louisiana Wildlife and Fisheries Commission and to state legislators and attending meetings where policy makers are receiving input on policies is more important right now than giving money to organizations that have proven ineffective or disinterested or supporting harmful policies.

A well-written letter to the Commission and your legislator on an important issue (oyster dredging, tripletail limits, marsh loss, speck limits, scientific management, etc.) would be more beneficial at the present time than donations and membership fees to CCA. Let them know that it is a travesty to allow ongoing limit changes that are not supported with sound scientific data while neglecting the more important habitat preservation and restoration issues.

Cost: price of a stamp.

Benefit (compared with CCA donations): priceless.

[Natural Light Kid]

Originally Posted by Natural Light Kid

W
This question is specifically for you. What do you recommend for someone in my position? Not much money and hardly any time to donate to the cause of helping the Calcasieu estuary. In the past I have been a member of CCA and participated in STAR. Do you have a better idea of where those dollars should go if CCA is such a horrible organization? For the record, it was at a CCA banquet that I met you at years ago. You were wearing a starched fishing shirt and taking money at the door lol.

Seriously w, I want your feed back on this. Thanks math geek too. Trying to do what's best.

["W"]

Originally Posted by Natural Light Kid

W
This question is specifically for you. What do you recommend for someone in my position? Not much money and hardly any time to donate to the cause of helping the Calcasieu estuary. In the past I have been a member of CCA and participated in STAR. Do you have a better idea of where those dollars should go if CCA is such a horrible organization? For the record, it was at a CCA banquet that I met you at years ago. You were wearing a starched fishing shirt and taking money at the door lol.

Yes I was a CCA member and yes I did support the CCA , but I learned quickly the CCA is nothing but a social event where guys can get away from the wife once a year and say it's for the fishing


You look around and all you see is people you never see on the water !! But hey it's cool to be CCA


Like Mathgeek said you can write letters to your senators and WL&F ( I prefer emails)

You can still support the CCA and spend you $50 a year and watch nothing unfold here on big lake and if that's cool with you that's your money


I rather talk to other chains of commands who don't have big money individuals from Lake Charles telling them what to do !!



Chenier Energy is more fired up about helping this lake than our own CCA

Chenier had done more for the lake than the CCA

[redaddiction]

Originally Posted by "W"

Yes I was a CCA member and yes I did support the CCA , but I learned quickly the CCA is nothing but a social event where guys can get away from the wife once a year and say it's for the fishing


You look around and all you see is people you never see on the water !! But hey it's cool to be CCA


Like Mathgeek said you can write letters to your senators and WL&F ( I prefer emails)

You can still support the CCA and spend you $50 a year and watch nothing unfold here on big lake and if that's cool with you that's your money


I rather talk to other chains of commands who don't have big money individuals from Lake Charles telling them what to do !!



Chenier Energy is more fired up about helping this lake than our own CCA

Chenier had done more for the lake than the CCA

Are only people who fish a certain amount of days a year allowed to be concerned about coastal conservation? (Even though I understand CCA does nothing) Quit making comments about people who "don't even fish Big Lake". You've done that a lot. I might fish it once a year, because i mainly fish the cocodrie area. But I am still very concerned about what's going on there. And would gladly join any grass roots effort to protect it. I am from Louisiana, and that should be good enough!

[BassYakR]

Originally Posted by redaddiction

Are only people who fish a certain amount of days a year allowed to be concerned about coastal conservation? (Even though I understand CCA does nothing) Quit making comments about people who "don't even fish Big Lake". You've done that a lot. I might fish it once a year, because i mainly fish the cocodrie area. But I am still very concerned about what's going on there. And would gladly join any grass roots effort to protect it. I am from Louisiana, and that should be good enough!

I dont think hes saying anything negative toward ppl who fish the lake occasionally. I think hes referencing ppl who hardly fish the lake and are trying to make changes that wont benefit the estuary.