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S.T.A.R (Before & After Creel Change)
CCA STAR Trout weights before and after the limit change in 2006
Trout before the Limit change in 2006 2002 Russell Buckels 8lbs. 5 oz. David Brown 10lbs. 3oz. Quentin LeBoeuf 9lbs. 8 oz. David Foreman 9lbs. 4 oz. 2003 William Jennings 8.90 lbs. Lynn Vaughn 8.40 lbs. Catherine Pears 8.55 lbs. 2004 Chad Paulk 9.45 lbs. Danny Lanza 9.35 lbs. Dustin Fuselier 9.15 lbs. Chris Vallette 9.50 lbs. 2005 Jared Burleigh 9.10 lbs. Jimmie Hebert 8.90 lbs. Tony Hayden 8.40 lbs. Trout weights after the Trout limit 2006 Tony Hayden 8.20 lbs. Gary Burt 7.75 lbs Jared Verrett 7.65 lbs 2007 Larry Simon 7.80 lbs. Dennis Lavergne 7.20 lbs. Mark Jeanes 7.45 lbs. 2008 John Adams 8.85 lbs Harold Licatino 8.30 lbs. Tony Hayden 8.25 lbs 2009 Dale Weiman 8.25 lbs. Donnie Gibbs 8.20 lbs Buddy Ward 7.95 lbs. 2010 Wayne McElveen 7.68 lbs Betty Ellender 7.68 lbs Gary Peltier 7.53 lbs NO 9 or 10lbers Over Stock means smaller fish!!!
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You forgot to add in the global warming factor
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I went to the meeting with the biologists, no one would listen to what they had to say. The guides and the CCA got what they wanted, with no science to backup the new creel limits on BL. Call Mike Harbison he'll tell ya. Its all about the bucks... the fish over 5-6 lbs makeup less that 1% of the population. I don't have a problem with 15 fish, but the 2 only over 25" isn't needed. We have the biosystem to support the 12" 25 limit without hurting the fishery.
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NICE 1st post. I was there too. Its funny thats how you remember it.......Biologists wanted to go to 10 or fewer!!! CCA said that was too big of a reduction and it wouldn't make anyone happy. FACT: Trout SPR limits were below and are still below the thresh-hold set by our very own LDWF.....meaning a declining stock. W. You've fished long enough to know the big fish come in cycles. Look at this Year! You conveinently left that out. Several 8's on the board and numerous 9 & 10 lb trout caught by others. |
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Chas....Whats your thoughts on the decline in big trout being caught in the STAR ... With out using More boats on the water, because back in 2003-05 gas was cheep and the pilgrims were just as thick as ever....Just like today Heberts would be full to the rim with boats... IMO...It started to decline when the limits were dropped....IMO we are keeping more small fish in the lake and the bigger ones are just not staying and hanging around as long.
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More boats on the water.... Really don't know my man. Your theory is valid no doubt. But trout are carniverous. So to say the big ones don't stick around doesn't really jive. Why would they leave? Plenty of food. If they can't find shrimp or mullet, big trout will eat little trout. Overcrowding? I don't think so. Also, you could ask the people like the Poes, or Stansels, and they'll tell you big trout come in cycles. They've kept books for a long time too. |
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Agreed....
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I feel that it was the guides pushing this mostly. Fewer fish = less time on the water for same money. Also, less fish to clean at the end of the day. Just my opinion.
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I agree with you Latt..
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I know several guides on the lake, the ones that I know are some of the hardest working people I have encountered. I have spoken with a few on this issue and they believed that reducing the creel would allow the fishery to be healthier and last longer given that there are more boats on the water now than ever. Isn't the greed of the oyster fishermen (taking everything now and not saving it for later) and their inability to see the big picture what had everyone so outraged on here in the winter? Doesn’t that make us allot like them?
The creel change pre-dates me, I still had a camp in Grand Isle and fished that area so I really have no opinion either way on this other than to say that if catching 15 fish and not 25 will give my grandchildren a greater chance to experience what I believe is the one of the greatest outdoor cultures in our country then I'm all for it. If it is true that the reduction in creel had no impact on the fishery other than to reduce trophy trout then even the best of intentions sometimes backfires. I will say this, the number of lazy guides on our lake are few and far between. Some may be jerks to deal with but these guys work hard for their money and most love this estuary as much as you and I. Just a different perspective on my end.... |
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Do you guys feel like the "box trout" in the 12 to 16 inch range have increased in population as a result of the creel changes? In other words are you getting to 15 keep trout more efficiently now than you have in the past and finding more trout at least from a numbers perspective than in prior years?
Clearly the data provided by LAS in their yearly trout forecast is far from scientific but they have seen an increase in overall trout numbers in each of the last three years in Big Lake. Of course some of that could be from Ike/Rita as well. Or is it a bad for the estuary in every perspective? It's clear the majority of the board feels like it hurts the trophy trout population. |
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If they are anything like a crappie, overpopulation is terrible for size. We had lakes back home get overrun and they had to be thinned out by way of keeping everything caught or throwing them on the bank.
I know these waters are more open here but, the same principle may still apply. Keep in mind, I'm no marine biologist... |
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You nailed it, they are the crappie and bluegill of the saltwater. If you don't cull some or supplementally feed them, they will stunt themselves. They grow quick and spawn at an early age. Taking some out of the population only helps the overall health of the population. |
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We tried to say this back when the limits were changed. But CCA said they had
85% support from their membership . even though i can't find anyone that isn't around big lake that got the survey??? |
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maybe the fish are just getting smarter?
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That's the point ckinchen, The biologist told the state that it really wouldn't matter for your kids an grand kids. The reduction from 25 to 15 was all just a feel good help the guides out thing.
We have had this discussion before and NO ONE has been able to produce any biological reason to limit it to 15 trout. |
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I guess I missed where anyone was calling the guides lazy.....
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