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[quote=capt coonassty;767884]
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And Andy, I have no clue what you are talking about, you make no sense. You talk as though I go to churches and charge them to provide security???? Please show me where I stated that. We are an all volunteer security team FOR OUR CHURCH, don't know where you're coming from. What you describe is a vigilante team, not a properly trained church security team. D |
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That seems reasonable and responsible.
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I have not read where CC posted anything stating he charged or earned money to protect his church or any other church. ...
Andy, you need to read this thread again. |
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Thought you said yall hire off duty officers at the door and yall were a volunteer group, witch you train other mega church's, understand if there's a man or woman hanging around the bathrooms to long and not waiting on there kid,, it would get get taken care of real fast cause we all know each, and families, New people come every Sunday and pry with the preacher.. let me just throw this out there there's100/-2000 members of your church how many of them do you know by name, even more dose your preacher know and know each and every one of them by name and know there day to day struggles?? I will bet not!!!!!!
How many bathrooms your church have?? How many on Sunday that walk in the doors do you know personaly or where they live/been invited to there birthday party ?, |
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My last post here, if yall don't trust your fellow church members to take care of what problems that can come up you might thank about going to a church where everyone knows everyone,and not need security!! And get back to family and community, not just how many people they can run throw the door!!
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Don't know what Andy's problem is with what was said but it seems like he is against big churches. Just saying......
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Obviously..... Go to the church where you feel comfortable whether big or small....
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[QUOTE=How many bathrooms your church have?? How many on Sunday that walk in the doors do you know personaly or where they live/been invited to there birthday party ?,[/QUOTE]
Andy, our church has 4 bathrooms downstairs and 2 upstairs. You seem to have a problem with medium and large churches. Just curious, what is your magic number. At what number would you limit your congregation to? Now it's you telling folks they can't come to YOUR church or it will grow too large. See how silly that sounds? I assure you, I have seen and dealt with that mentality for years. Years ago I left a church that was comprised of about 40 people. Average age was near 80. They didn't want new folks, so their church is dying. Could be totally dead now, I don't know. |
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Cajun and BJ, I completely agree with you guys. We have around 2,000 per Sunday (this includes children) and want everyone safe at all times. We pay 4officers and have a security team of volunteers that are trained and legal. Not only does our pastor encourage the security he participates in our training and range sessions. The reason for the paid officers is we want anyone entering the building to know that we have security. The trained CCL holders are very discrete and very few people know that we are armed. Not saying this is the best or right way to do it but its what works for us. Stay safe and train hard. Dog
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Good for yall, I understand there's a threat every Sunday at yalls church's, as a man of the Lord in my church I don't have to worry about that!! Cause we all welcome new people and build every thing , not saying yall are any more less of a man or woman of God just different parts of the country, and different churches!!
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We all Christine's just different ways of seeing church, & I am leaving it at that!!
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Good!!
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I understand the law completely. I all I stated was my feelings towards this type of thinking. I do my best to always follow the law. Its the attitude that you have towards anyone carrying a weapon other than you is unsafe. I'm sorry if I can't jump on your "I'm special band wagon". We should all have the right and that right should be respected. Your confusion in thinking that less people armed is safer than everyone having the right to protect themselves and others is troubling. Just a few posts back you were comparing yourself to a swat team. If that doesn't scream ego then I don't know what does. If there is a sign posted out front then I will not carry. I would expect no one else to carry either. I do not think that you or anyone else other than a licensed officer has more rights than I do. If your pastor gives you permission and not no one else he should be able to make that known. You have no right to tell anyone they cannot carry. Just my opinion that's all.
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Not trying to throw gas on the fire but I get what Andy is saying. I don't attend a church but I have absolute respect for the house of God. Any person that goes into a house of God with intent to do harm has a special spot in hell resereved for them. It is however disturbing when some of our city churches own multiple city blocks and can afford to advertise at a five to one ratio over our local food bank. I know people that go to these churches and they are great people. I think it's just an atmosphere thing is what Andy was saying. Some like big churches with multiple buildings and some like small churches where everyone knows everyone and it's not just God's family you actually feel like family.
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I also understand CC's point although I don't exactly agree with it. From a tactical standpoint it would be impossible to distinguish between church members and nonmembers in a bad situation. 1000 people trying to get out as fast as possible. Not knowing the lay out of the church having a security member at entrances and exits is good but if something bad happened and a team member was in trouble it may be near impossible to get to him/ her and help with a flood of scared people trying to escape. That is where armed church members could help. Could. There is no perfect plan. If there was you wouldn't be in a gunfight. I think there are times you need to stay low and try to be a good witness but if you are directly threatened you should be able to defend yourself and your family not be stuck waiting for security to wade through a 1000 people to come help you. Gun in hand or cop on the phone. What works faster? Again CC I'm not trying to disrespect you are your team just looking from both sides
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But don't forget that it's the law. Unless you complete 8 hours per year tactical training and have the ok from the pastor the law says you cannot CC in a house of worship even if you have a CC permit. I totally agree that it's not a perfect plan and hope none of us ever have to go through a really bad situation.
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I do believe that 8hours a year training is laughable. Of course I think the cc requirements and a POST course is laughable also. |
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