15 Trout Limit Discussion PUBLIC

[Salty]

Originally Posted by "W"

Just ignore Salty....dude is old as dirt and has not caught a trout since last ice age....he just like to cause conflict to keep this post going

I'm causing "conflict" by stating that you are pissin' in the wind with this lil campaign to get a call reversed that it took maybe millions of dollars to set in the first place?

["W"]

This is all were worried about right now
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[Top Dawg]

Originally Posted by Salty

You also compared the Calcasieu estuary to a "pond".

With a river running through it.

[Salty]

Originally Posted by Top Dawg

With a river running through it.

Ha Ha....you didn't know that until I told ya.

[Top Dawg]

Originally Posted by Salty

Ha Ha....you didn't know that until I told ya.

Oh that's right. Didn't know it. We weren't here when the ship channel was dug, unlike you.

[Salty]

Originally Posted by Top Dawg

Oh that's right. Didn't know it.

That's what it sounds like to me.

Originally Posted by Top Dawg

W def has his own way with words. But if you look through it and realize the point of what he's saying, he's right. It's not about pics, fish in the freezer, it's about keeping the lake healthy. You ever fished a pond and catch a bass with a 6 pound head but weighs 3? And hundreds of pickles in said pond? Tell tell sign it's over populated and fish have to be taken out to keep the pond healthy. Same scenario just on a MUCH larger scale.

　

Originally Posted by Salty

Big Lake may be the size of a pond, but, the comparison stops there.

　

Originally Posted by Top Dawg

Why?

　

Originally Posted by Salty

Just like Big Lake.

　
　

Originally Posted by Salty

Well, yeah...if you dig a pond 17 miles long and 4 miles wide.

　
　

Originally Posted by Top Dawg

But more new fish CAN swim up river into your "pond" if there is bait?

　
　

Originally Posted by Top Dawg

If you have a river flowing through your pond it would over populate a lot faster right?

Originally Posted by Salty

Wrong. It's flowing through...not into.

　
　

Originally Posted by Salty

If you have a good-sized creek or river flowing through your pond, then, it would be much more comparable. Diggin' a whole in the middle of nowhere and lettin' it fill with water has no relation to Big Lake....no matter how many fish you have.

　
　
　

[Top Dawg]

Lol.

[Top Dawg]

So what you are saying is fish can't swim upstream. Lol. Only time more trout come into biglake is on incoming tides. Y'all heard it here first. Fish incoming tides if you want to catch fresh "new" trout. Outgoing tides bring bass from up north.

["W"]

I once brought a knife to a gunfight, just to even the odds.”

["W"]

Originally Posted by Top Dawg

So what you are saying is fish can't swim upstream. Lol. Only time more trout come into biglake is on incoming tides. Y'all heard it here first. Fish incoming tides if you want to catch fresh "new" trout. Outgoing tides bring bass from up north.

U better hurry

[Salty]

Originally Posted by Top Dawg

So what you are saying is fish can't swim upstream. Lol. Only time more trout come into biglake is on incoming tides. Y'all heard it here first. Fish incoming tides if you want to catch fresh "new" trout. Outgoing tides bring bass from up north.

That's probably what you thought until I was kind enough to explain it to you.

[Top Dawg]

Originally Posted by "W"

U better hurry

I'll just post up at the jetties tomorrow eve and get em all when the outgoing flushes em all out.

[MathGeek]

Originally Posted by Salty

I got a buddy that fishes down in Florida. Maybe, while you're at it, you can get their redfish limit doubled....to two. I'm sure Texas inland guys would appreciate a little boost, as well.

Comparisons with Florida and Texas miss the mark, because they assume that fishing pressure is the biggest factor in productivity of a fishery. It isn't.

The two overwhelmingly most important factors for productivity in a fishery are habitat quality and food. Louisiana kicks butt in the production of shrimp, crabs, and oysters because it's inshore waters and marshes are simply much higher quality. The Mississippi river supplies higher levels of fertility and the delta habitat is simply superior to FL and TX. Many decades ago, Galveston Bay had nearly the potential of most LA estuaries, but it was destroyed by overharvesting of oysters, run-off and pollution from Houston area development, and by other ecological abuses.

You don't produce quality seatrout by being overprotective of younger seatrout, especially when there are already too many hungry mouths to feed. The habitat (oyster beds) and food sources (shrimp and gulf menhaden primarily) are in need of protection, and the way to most effectively protect them is to reduce the numbers of their biggest predator, the spotted seatrout.

FL redfish also have to compete with lots of other species in the inshore and nearshore waters that are much less common in inshore LA waters. The expected weight of a FL redfish of a given length is much thinner than a LA redfish, because there is a lot more competition for the same food, and the competitors tend to be more effective predators than the redfish in the clearer FL waters.

When the deer population exceeds about 15 deer per square mile, you no longer get many monster 10 pointers, you get a lot of runt bucks and does.

[Salty]

Originally Posted by MathGeek

Comparisons with Florida and Texas miss the mark, because they assume that fishing pressure is the biggest factor in productivity of a fishery. It isn't.

The two overwhelmingly most important factors for productivity in a fishery are habitat quality and food. Louisiana kicks butt in the production of shrimp, crabs, and oysters because it's inshore waters and marshes are simply much higher quality. The Mississippi river supplies higher levels of fertility and the delta habitat is simply superior to FL and TX. Many decades ago, Galveston Bay had nearly the potential of most LA estuaries, but it was destroyed by overharvesting of oysters, run-off and pollution from Houston area development, and by other ecological abuses.

You don't produce quality seatrout by being overprotective of younger seatrout, especially when there are already too many hungry mouths to feed. The habitat (oyster beds) and food sources (shrimp and gulf menhaden primarily) are in need of protection, and the way to most effectively protect them is to reduce the numbers of their biggest predator, the spotted seatrout.

FL redfish also have to compete with lots of other species in the inshore and nearshore waters that are much less common in inshore LA waters. The expected weight of a FL redfish of a given length is much thinner than a LA redfish, because there is a lot more competition for the same food, and the competitors tend to be more effective predators than the redfish in the clearer FL waters.

When the deer population exceeds about 15 deer per square mile, you no longer get many monster 10 pointers, you get a lot of runt bucks and does.

First of all, I was being sarcastic. Secondly, Florida and Texas' regs are where they're at because of one thing....GILL NETS!!

[Top Dawg]

After we get 25 limit back were gonna get our gill nets back too lol

[huntin fool]

Top dawg, ill be at ward 8/white oak.. ill text ya when the fish start running, that way you can get your nets ready at the jetties for bass.

[Top Dawg]

Cool let me know. Dipped my net yesterday should be dry by now ready to string it out. Gonna be epic lol

[huntin fool]

Originally Posted by Top Dawg

Cool let me know. Dipped my net yesterday should be dry by now ready to string it out. Gonna be epic lol

Oh heck yea. Maybe after we get done, we go clean our catch on the ole grady and drink a brew.

[all star rod]

W, I think you should ask about the 15 fish limit at the next CCA meeting if you really want to get the message out....I am sure most of the "powers that be" who were involved in changing the limit will be at it.....

[Top Dawg]

Originally Posted by huntin fool

Oh heck yea. Maybe after we get done, we go clean our catch on the ole grady and drink a brew.

Sounds like a good day. But not before we seine the beach on the way out.