Has the left gone too far? . .

[PReaux]

Yes . .

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[Smalls]

I'm sure someone thought that was clever when they wrote it, but how do they explain shootings in churches, movie theaters, and concerts?

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[Dogface]

Originally Posted by Smalls

I'm sure someone thought that was clever when they wrote it, but how do they explain shootings in churches, movie theaters, and concerts?

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Most shootings occur in gun free zones. I think the more legally armed good guys and gals we have the safer we all are.

[Smalls]

Originally Posted by Dogface

Most shootings occur in gun free zones. I think the more legally armed good guys and gals we have the safer we all are.

I know that. That's the obvious here. Not some nonsensical crap about God not being in schools.

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[bjhooper82]

Let me just say this first, I went to private catholic schools all my life and firmly believe in God and praying for people. But I dont think that God or Jesus is going to come to the United States and prevent mass shootings from happening. I think where some people are missing the point is that we need to put God and religion back in all schools to teach our kids how to care more about each other and have more value for life. The future of this country is heading in a very scary direction my friends.

[Smalls]

Originally Posted by bjhooper82

Let me just say this first, I went to private catholic schools all my life and firmly believe in God and praying for people. But I dont think that God or Jesus is going to come to the United States and prevent mass shootings from happening. I think where some people are missing the point is that we need to put God and religion back in all schools to teach our kids how to care more about each other and have more value for life. The future of this country is heading in a very scary direction my friends.

Parents can't teach their kids to value life?

Look, I'm Catholic. Go to church every Sunday, and say morning prayers just about every day. I was a lector and eucharistic minister for 6 years at my church while in College. I'm in the Knights of Columbus now. Religion is important to me and my family.

But valuing life is not a uniquely religious concept.

I went to public school, catholic school, and was home schooled at different times in my life. With the exception of homeschooling, I was picked at and bullied anywhere I went. I had no religious formation whatsoever from 7th grade to 11th grade.

Did I shoot any of my bullies? No. Why? Because my parents raised me better. Hell, I even had anger issues. Still never shot anyone.

It starts at home. And by being vigilant and knowing what is going on with your kids. Same for educators. People need to be aware of what is going on. Recognize bullying. Recognize problems.

Does religion help? Sure. But it's not a necessity to valuing human life.

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[PReaux]

Not a "necessity to valuing life" . . It forms the basis of life . . I grew up saying the Lords prayer every day in school . . An extension of values taught at home . . Might need to try it again . . What they're doing now ain't working . . I retired a teacher . .

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[bjhooper82]

Originally Posted by Smalls

Parents can't teach their kids to value life?

Look, I'm Catholic. Go to church every Sunday, and say morning prayers just about every day. I was a lector and eucharistic minister for 6 years at my church while in College. I'm in the Knights of Columbus now. Religion is important to me and my family.

But valuing life is not a uniquely religious concept.

I went to public school, catholic school, and was home schooled at different times in my life. With the exception of homeschooling, I was picked at and bullied anywhere I went. I had no religious formation whatsoever from 7th grade to 11th grade.

Did I shoot any of my bullies? No. Why? Because my parents raised me better. Hell, I even had anger issues. Still never shot anyone.

It starts at home. And by being vigilant and knowing what is going on with your kids. Same for educators. People need to be aware of what is going on. Recognize bullying. Recognize problems.

Does religion help? Sure. But it's not a necessity to valuing human life.

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I didnt say that parents can’t teach their kids the value of human life. I definitely agree that it starts at home. Parents need to step up and be more involved in their kids life as a positive role model. I didnt mean that its all up to the schools.

[PReaux]

Originally Posted by bjhooper82

I didnt say that parents can?t teach their kids the value of human life. I definitely agree that it starts at home. Parents need to step up and be more involved in their kids life as a positive role model. I didnt mean that its all up to the schools.

I agree entirely . . Take prayer out of school and you remove the only exposure to religion that some of these kids will ever get . . Believe me, they're not going to get it from CNN . . I saw it every day . . For 20 years . .

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[Smalls]

It's not the job of the public school system to ensure children have religion.

Hell, in Louisiana, we can barely teach anything else.

Get family priorities back where they need to be. Get kids back outside hunting and fishing. Teach them responsibility and morals, instead of giving them everything and allowing them to be spoiled, entitled brats. Stand up to bullying and recognize it.

I know people that rarely go to church that are better people than some of the "every Sunday" crowd. My wife and I had a priest at our wedding that was later arrested om charges of child pornography.

You can't force religion on people, and putting it into schools is forcing it on people. It's no better than a college professor forcing his political views on his students through his course material.

Society is so warped today that religion cannot even begin to fix it alone. There are too many opponents of it.

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[PReaux]

Can't have it both ways . .

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[cajun bill]

This:
http://malcolmpollack.com/2018/02/16...the-whirlwind/

best explanation I've heard for the anti-gun peeps.

[PReaux]

Originally Posted by cajun bill

This:
http://malcolmpollack.com/2018/02/16...the-whirlwind/

best explanation I've heard for the anti-gun peeps.

Works for me . .

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[Smalls]

Originally Posted by cajun bill

This:
http://malcolmpollack.com/2018/02/16...the-whirlwind/

best explanation I've heard for the anti-gun peeps.

Yep. Pretty good read right there.

My boss said it the other day: put some actual armed and trained people in the schools. It's a SOFT TARGET!!

Funny thing about gun-free zones: criminals don't abide by the law.

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[PReaux]

Originally Posted by Smalls

Yep. Pretty good read right there.

My boss said it the other day: put some actual armed and trained people in the schools. It's a SOFT TARGET!!

Funny thing about gun-free zones: criminals don't abide by the law.

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Just locking the doors would help . . We had administration peeps come unannounced and check doors . . Oh snap . .

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[Dogface]

Originally Posted by cajun bill

This:
http://malcolmpollack.com/2018/02/16...the-whirlwind/

best explanation I've heard for the anti-gun peeps.

Yep, very good!!

[sugardad]

Originally Posted by PReaux

Yes . .

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Im a farmer, my wife is a high school teacher and she also teaches religon at our church, this statement sums it up, no more prayer in school and pledge to our great flag of this country. Her dad passed away 10yrs ago, he was a colonel for la national guard in carville, her half brother served in Iraq one tour. To me allegiance and prayer in school use to hold us together growing up as kids. Times have changed and we see the results. God bless us all.

[PReaux]

Originally Posted by sugardad

Im a farmer, my wife is a high school teacher and she also teaches religon at our church, this statement sums it up, no more prayer in school and pledge to our great flag of this country. Her dad passed away 10yrs ago, he was a colonel for la national guard in carville, her half brother served in Iraq one tour. To me allegiance and prayer in school use to hold us together growing up as kids. Times have changed and we see the results. God bless us all.

Amen . .

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[ckinchen]

I am certainly a pro gun guy and a hunter. My wife and I both have a concealed carry license and we vote republican.

However where I differ from most is on assault rifles. I just don't see where there is a need for semi auto weapons like an ar-15 that holds 30 rounds. Full disclosure I own one. I realize I am probably in the minority on this but you don't see mass shootings with a browning a5 or Remington 700 bolt action they just aren't the weapon of choice or made to fire off significant rounds in a mass shooting situation.

Just offering a different opinion on this. As it relates to gun control I firmly support the right to carry. I just don't see a real need for an assault weapon. I feel I could defend my home very well wiht an 870 express pump shotgun.

[PBJ]

Originally Posted by ckinchen

I am certainly a pro gun guy and a hunter. My wife and I both have a concealed carry license and we vote republican.

However where I differ from most is on assault rifles. I just don't see where there is a need for semi auto weapons like an ar-15 that holds 30 rounds. Full disclosure I own one. I realize I am probably in the minority on this but you don't see mass shootings with a browning a5 or Remington 700 bolt action they just aren't the weapon of choice or made to fire off significant rounds in a mass shooting situation.

Just offering a different opinion on this. As it relates to gun control I firmly support the right to carry. I just don't see a real need for an assault weapon. I feel I could defend my home very well wiht an 870 express pump shotgun.

I agree with you regarding the AR-15 but a knife and a Remington 700 were his weapons of choice. "Charles Joseph Whitman (June 24, 1941 ? August 1, 1966) was an American mass murderer who became infamous as the "Texas Tower Sniper." On August 1, 1966, he used knives in the slaying of his mother and wife in their respective homes. He then went to the University of Texas in Austin, where the rampage began. He shot and killed three people inside the university tower. He then went to the tower's 28th-floor observation deck, where he fired at random for some 96 minutes, killing an additional eleven people and wounding thirty-one others before he was shot and killed by two Austin police officers. A total of sixteen people were killed; a 17th victim died 35 years later from injuries sustained in the attack"