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Old 08-19-2013, 10:26 AM
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How long before the marsh on the east bank of sabine is gone?
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How long before the marsh on the east bank of sabine is gone?
Sabine is a bit different from Calcasieu. The ship channel is not as deep for the same distance N (Port Arthur is much further south than Lake Charles). Consequently, there are lower volumes of salt water influx. Furthermore, due to the smaller and shallower openings between the ship channel and the southern end of Sabine Lake, the ship channel actually delivers more salinity to the northern end of Sabine Lake (NW corner). Sabine Lake's more common salinity gradient is from more saline at the N to less saline at the S.

Toledo Bend dam also provides more regulation and tends to even out the fresh water input so that even in dry periods, releases from the dam keep the fresh water flowing in so that big, upward salinity swings are much less common. Consequently (as shown in attachment), the marsh losses E of Sabine tend to be smaller than the marsh losses W of Big Lake.
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Old 08-19-2013, 11:07 AM
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good site for this

http://sonris-www.dnr.state.la.us/gis/sonris/viewer.htm

You can view historic photos and switch back and forth to really show the land loss

Here are Landsat from 1992 and 2005
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Old 08-19-2013, 11:08 AM
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and aerials from 1998 and 2008
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Old 08-19-2013, 11:25 AM
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Those picks are not really true... you posted a aerial right after Rita which flatten all the marsh grass with a 25ft surge


That marsh has came back and grass is growing back fuller than ever in some areas
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Old 08-19-2013, 11:30 AM
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blame it on Will Drost!
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Old 08-19-2013, 12:00 PM
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Those picks are not really true... you posted a aerial right after Rita which flatten all the marsh grass with a 25ft surge


That marsh has came back and grass is growing back fuller than ever in some areas
OK, then why does this grass coming back not show up in 2008 pics? Look at that east bank of Calcasieu Lake in the 2008 photo, look at that lost marsh, I can post a Google Earth 2013 pic and you can see it there too

I sent you a link where you can do this yourself and click the layers on and off and see different years flash right before your eyes, you don't have to believe me

Click on this link then download that map on the right, it will show you every single bit of data regarding coastal land loss
http://pubs.usgs.gov/sim/3164/

Check out this map and remember that red is bad
http://www.americaswetland.com/photo...dloss11X17.pdf


and go back and look at the map MG posted, its not rocket surgery

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Old 08-19-2013, 12:27 PM
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All that red is what has already been lost i.e it ain't there anymore
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Old 08-19-2013, 12:33 PM
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OK, then why does this grass coming back not show up in 2008 pics? Look at that east bank of Calcasieu Lake in the 2008 photo, look at that lost marsh, I can post a Google Earth 2013 pic and you can see it there too

I sent you a link where you can do this yourself and click the layers on and off and see different years flash right before your eyes, you don't have to believe me

Click on this link then download that map on the right, it will show you every single bit of data regarding coastal land loss
http://pubs.usgs.gov/sim/3164/

Check out this map and remember that red is bad
http://www.americaswetland.com/photo...dloss11X17.pdf


and go back and look at the map MG posted, its not rocket surgery

So the weirs are not helping??? Right?? West side looks better than East side with weirs?

Whats up with that??
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Old 08-19-2013, 12:51 PM
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So the weirs are not helping??? Right?? West side looks better than East side with weirs?

Whats up with that??
Wiers are slowing it down, its all going to be gone one day at this rate

I disagree, the land loss (red) on the west side is much more pronounced than the east side, it could be quantified as well and I am sure it is somewhere but its pretty clear to me

per MGs map and you can look at that site its in .pdf format and I can't copy the pics for some reason, but maybe MG can post a pic for the east side of the lake for comparison
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Old 08-19-2013, 12:55 PM
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and here's a funny pic I just saw in My Pictures file
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from http://media.nola.com/environment/ot...ap_5-24-11.pdf

Reds, pinks, and purples are all land loss. Pinks and purples are post 2000. Reds are earlier.
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Old 08-19-2013, 09:26 PM
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Based off that map the marsh south of west cove (with no weir system) a so called natural marsh has suffered way less land loss than the east side of the lake controlled by a weir system. Data was estimated until 2010, never get in the way of Mother Nature!
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Old 08-19-2013, 09:34 PM
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Based off that map the marsh south of west cove (with no weir system) a so called natural marsh has suffered way less land loss than the east side of the lake controlled by a weir system. Data was estimated until 2010, never get in the way of Mother Nature!
100% right

But wait they will tell u the weirs are making the east side marsh a super marsh


And we are having almost 1.7ft falling tide every afternoon and trapping mother natures habitat from being natural state
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Old 08-19-2013, 09:46 PM
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I have no dog in this fight, but them maps are not real right, been having a camp in the red part, for 5 year's and the marsh is healthy and nice. No all the trees have not come back from the storms but they growing. Also gator hunt Sabine ref, for3 years and there's way more marsh then there was when I was inthere in 05 , , there are weirs on the west side of biglake and they just fixed last Sep. Don't know if they ever open or close the now. But the first of Sep. I will take a ton of pics and post of the marsh. Are the wiers helping or hurting??? The fishing?? Maybe maybe not, are they helping the marsh??? From what I have seen some places yes others not at all. Just my 2 cents
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Old 08-19-2013, 09:53 PM
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I have no dog in this fight, but them maps are not real right, been having a camp in the red part, for 5 year's and the marsh is healthy and nice. No all the trees have not come back from the storms but they growing. Also gator hunt Sabine ref, for3 years and there's way more marsh then there was when I was inthere in 05 , , there are weirs on the west side of biglake and they just fixed last Sep. Don't know if they ever open or close the now. But the first of Sep. I will take a ton of pics and post of the marsh. Are the wiers helping or hurting??? The fishing?? Maybe maybe not, are they helping the marsh??? From what I have seen some places yes others not at all. Just my 2 cents


No way...cant be...duck BUTTer and Smalls know every square inch of our estuary
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Old 08-19-2013, 09:59 PM
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One last point I will make. Wiers or no Wiers, the marsh is hurting from all the leaving they have done up north and in La. To keep people safe from floods!!!! Floods are the only way you can get fresh water/dirt to keep marshs alive!!!! But there's but there's nothing anyone can do about that.... it's saving them and killing the marsh in all of s La.!!!
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No way...cant be...duck BUTTer and Smalls know every square inch of our estuary
Ill agree with u dub. U live down there practically. From what I see from a non avid bl expert(jk) those pics aren't true. There's a lot of marsh that those maps say aren't there that really are. But some of the pics show land where there isn't much to speak of as well. How do they judge this? Serious ques. From a chopper? I know the arial shots are from the air but the marked maps are they judging land loss from the air or do they survey on airboats bc that could be the deception I guess
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One last point I will make. Wiers or no Wiers, the marsh is hurting from all the leaving they have done up north and in La. To keep people safe from floods!!!! Floods are the only way you can get fresh water/dirt to keep marshs alive!!!! But there's but there's nothing anyone can do about that.... it's saving them and killing the marsh in all of s La.!!!
Pick your poison kinda thing huh? That's good info. Never thought of it that way
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Old 08-19-2013, 10:25 PM
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Man I'm sick and tired of you trying to trash me. I don't know what I did to piss you off, but get over it. I do what I have to do to make a living, I don't talk crap about what you do. Don't trash what I do.

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