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Old 04-08-2014, 08:51 PM
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Ecstasy would do the trick too, then maybe some LT's to kill the next day's pain from all the unbridled sex.

Don't forget the Wellbutrin in the morning to rebalance your serotonin levels too
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I'm with you math geek. I think legalizing it is a terrible idea for the economy and the productivity of our workforce. I also 100% agree with bgizzle. I know a lot of 6 figure pot heads and pill poppers. I, myself, don't do drugs but I work side by side with some of the best cracked out electricians you've ever met. Everything in moderation I always say. I tell my guys that what they do on their time is their own business. Be sober at work. I do feel that If you legalize you will have chaos.
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I'm with you math geek. I think legalizing it is a terrible idea for the economy and the productivity of our workforce. I also 100% agree with bgizzle. I know a lot of 6 figure pot heads and pill poppers. I, myself, don't do drugs but I work side by side with some of the best cracked out electricians you've ever met. Everything in moderation I always say. I tell my guys that what they do on their time is their own business. Be sober at work. I do feel that If you legalize you will have chaos.

Guns are legal, are there random shootings on site every day? Not much chaos, I wouldn't be worried about legalizing marijuana... You're still the boss and would have the same right to fire as you did before
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I'm with you math geek. I think legalizing it is a terrible idea for the economy and the productivity of our workforce. I also 100% agree with bgizzle. I know a lot of 6 figure pot heads and pill poppers. I, myself, don't do drugs but I work side by side with some of the best cracked out electricians you've ever met. Everything in moderation I always say. I tell my guys that what they do on their time is their own business. Be sober at work. I do feel that If you legalize you will have chaos.

the sky has not fallen in Colorado or Washington

Just because someone takes a toke in the evening instead of beer does that mean they can't be productive?You can take anything overboard.
Porn is legal. Messed up plenty of lives but none of us want that banned and if you do I'm confused. You should have the right and think you do to fire who ever for what ever. Shouldn't be just for something in there urine that doesn't show intoxication at all. Blood test yes. Only way to test if they legitimately impaired at that time. If you think Johnny is a terrible employee then fire his worthless arse.

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Old 04-08-2014, 09:37 PM
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Guns are legal, are there random shootings on site every day? Not much chaos, I wouldn't be worried about legalizing marijuana... You're still the boss and would have the same right to fire as you did before

Bad analogy, IMO. But like I said, if my guys want to shoot people on their own time then that's fine. When your on the clock you need to be sober and/or not shooting people. I'm not worried about legalization from an employers standpoint as much as I am from a fathers standpoint.
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Smoke it all day!! Just stay off my jobs and away from my kids. It's awkward explaining to a homeowner why the guy doing their electrical work smells like reefer. Or when your kids say, dad, my friends donit and so do their parents. I guess I'm just not ready for the world to change yet.
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Just educate them the same way you do about drinking.
As you should anyway.
It's easy to " drugs are bad mmmmkay"
We reduced cigs use among minors by a big % and didn't jail one adult to do so. Just on a education campaign.


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No doubt. Don't go to work high. Or drunk. Morons


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He's got this view of pot head and he just won't let it go so he clings to reefer madness to make him feel better about stereotyping a big chunk of the populous.
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I have boatloads of personal experience with marijuana users. A number of family members have been pot smokers. These were the ones most likely to be moving back in with momma, getting fired for not showing up to work, being late, or poor work, or generally leeches on the system and family.

As a teacher, I also have considerable experience with marijuana smoking students. One's ability in math and science falls drastically when teens begin smoking weed. One's motivation toward education also dramatically tanks.

The science is sound on these same points. Marijuana use lowers IQ and significantly reduces educational outcomes, especially when use begins during the teen years. Use among teens in Colorado and Washington has significantly increased since legalization.
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the sky has not fallen in Colorado or Washington
Why would one expect the society level effects to be more rapid than the personal level effects? Weed production in these states is still ramping up to meet increased demand. Once availability, use, and abuse reach their peaks for a period of time, then the effects on society will be felt. I'm estimating about a decade, because that's the amount of time for todays teens to be fully integrated into the workforce and their educational deficiencies to have a real impact on economic productivity.

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Just because someone takes a toke in the evening instead of beer does that mean they can't be productive?
Less educated -> less productive. Lower IQ -> less productive. Less motivated -> less productive. Motor impairment -> less productive. No one has suggested productivity of drug users or drug abusers is zero, only that it is lower.

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Porn is legal. Messed up plenty of lives but none of us want that banned and if you do I'm confused.
Children should not have access to adult porn, and no one should have access to child porn. Most adults would be shocked at how much porn children are accessing through school and library IT systems. Adults would also be shocked at how much child porn originally is uploaded to the internet through school and library IT systems. Child porn should remain a crime, and schools need to greatly increase their diligence to reduce the abuse of their IT systems in these ways.

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You should have the right and think you do to fire who ever for what ever. Shouldn't be just for something in there urine that doesn't show intoxication at all. Blood test yes. Only way to test if they legitimately impaired at that time. If you think Johnny is a terrible employee then fire his worthless arse.
The liability of the employer is too great to close his eyes to drug use, especially if employment duties include operating machinery (including vehicles), complex analysis tasks with safety implications, handling dangerous chemicals, etc. Employers should be able to fire employees based on any violations of the employer's drug policy without needing to prove actual impairment.

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" I have a dream that one day a man will be judged by the contents if his character and not the contents of his urine. "

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Violation of law and violation of an employer's drug policy reveal significant character issues. An honest character simply refuses up front to agree to a drug policy one has no intentions of abiding by.

Or do you pretend that fraudulent agreement to a drug policy is not a character flaw?
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I have some people that I went to high school with that are pot heads. Graduated in 1991. It's easy for me to keep my kids away from pot. I just explain to them that they will end up like them if they start smoking pot. I think they understand.....


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I have boatloads of personal experience with marijuana users. A number of family members have been pot smokers. These were the ones most likely to be moving back in with momma, getting fired for not showing up to work, being late, or poor work, or generally leeches on the system and family.

As a teacher, I also have considerable experience with marijuana smoking students. One's ability in math and science falls drastically when teens begin smoking weed. One's motivation toward education also dramatically tanks.

The science is sound on these same points. Marijuana use lowers IQ and significantly reduces educational outcomes, especially when use begins during the teen years. Use among teens in Colorado and Washington has significantly increased since legalization.
I know a few people that smoked some weed in high school a whole lot in college and consistently held a 3.5-3.7 gpa. These people are now very successful, so you argument is just a generalization. It seems to me your science is about as sound as the the gulf councils red snapper numbers.
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The liability of the employer is too great to close his eyes to drug use, especially if employment duties include operating machinery (including vehicles), complex analysis tasks with safety implications, handling dangerous chemicals, etc. Employers should be able to fire employees based on any violations of the employer's drug policy without needing to prove actual impairment.
In Louisiana you dont need a reason to to be fired, we are an "At Will" employment state
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ive known less people that were drug free and worked in the petro industry than the number of those who did drugs and smoked pot every day.
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i think geek has watched the propaganda from his child hood entirely too much. lmaoooo... narrow minds think alike.
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ive known less people that were drug free and worked in the petro industry than the number of those who did drugs and smoked pot every day.

You work in the petro ind, and know more people on dope than not?? Where do you work??


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I've worked many turnarounds in many places and seen a lot of abuse. I don't see anything anymore since I'm in an office mostly.


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I know a few people that smoked some weed in high school a whole lot in college and consistently held a 3.5-3.7 gpa. These people are now very successful, so you argument is just a generalization. It seems to me your science is about as sound as the the gulf councils red snapper numbers.

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