Whooping cranes mean more than people.

[Spunt Drag]

LDWF is offering a $15,000 reward for the whooping crane shooting. The Jeff Davis 8 reward was only $35,000, for 8 brutally murdered people!!! Been sayin this crane project was a huge waste. I guess there's plenty of women, but we running out of whooping cranes. Idiots

[duckman1911]

I wonder where thet gettin that 15k from? Sounds like a taxpayer funded reward to me. What a waste of our money if thats the case. Another fine example of government BS

[Matt G]

They really should have implemented the program in another state. Preferably one where the people don't see every animal as the start to a good gravy!

[Top Dawg]

Waste of money. A damn bird

[noodle creek]

Huge waste of money.

[Paulox86]

Outta go say I did it. Can't see the fine being more than $15k for shooting one!

["W"]

Freaken bird!!.. 15k for a bird

If they would not make a big whhhooo rhaaay about them im sure people would never notice them

[kenmore_mo1]

Gotta agree with the fine, the whooping cane is an endangered bird. there are only approx 450 left in the world. Maybe the dumb asses that keep shooting them will finally learn a lesson,

["W"]

Originally Posted by Paulox86

Outta go say I did it. Can't see the fine being more than $15k for shooting one!

You crazy

They will give you life and take away your rights, make you a female, fine every one you know, burn your SS card, take your birthday away, use your prints on thr JFK murders, DNA you to OJ

[duckman1911]

Originally Posted by kenmore_mo1

Gotta agree with the fine, the whooping cane is an endangered bird. there are only approx 450 left in the world. Maybe the dumb asses that keep shooting them will finally learn a lesson,

449 now.

[DeeCee]

There are a lot more women on crack than there are whooping cranes. Whence the difference in the rewards!!!!!!!!

[jpeff31787]

Originally Posted by "W"

Freaken bird!!.. 15k for a bird

If they would not make a big whhhooo rhaaay about them im sure people would never notice them

couldn't agree more with this. I never knew they even came to this state, but ever since they been talking about them, I now look for them

[Smalls]

If ya'll think $15k is bad, don't go look at the budget on these birds. They ought to throw the same amount in the way of a fine at the bozzo that did this, or MORE!! That's not a cheap project.

[capt coonassty]

How much do you think one bird is costing? I'm sure the GPS tracking units that they use on the birds costs around the price of the reward. I think its a good idea, moneys already allocated to projects like these. I would rather see it spent in Louisiana than some goby in a creek in the middle of nowheres.

[Smalls]

Well, the first group was 10 birds, and the budget for the first year was $400,000, so that works out to about $40,000 a bird. Of course, the birds themselves didn't cost that, but if you want to divide it up that way, that's what you get.

If you look back in LDWF's archives, the reward was the same amount when the birds were killed last summer. Don't know why everyone is making such a big deal out of this now. If people had such a problem with it, why didn't the raise hell about it when the project was first starting?

[Top Dawg]

Trillions in debt and we blowin money on a crane.

[Spunt Drag]

Originally Posted by Smalls

Well, the first group was 10 birds, and the budget for the first year was $400,000, so that works out to about $40,000 a bird. Of course, the birds themselves didn't cost that, but if you want to divide it up that way, that's what you get.

If you look back in LDWF's archives, the reward was the same amount when the birds were killed last summer. Don't know why everyone is making such a big deal out of this now. If people had such a problem with it, why didn't the raise hell about it when the project was first starting?

I did, I said it was stupid then, and I'm sayin it's stupid now.

[Big Hutch]

What Smalls didn't tell you that this is a 20 year project. So $400K x 20 years = HOLY CRAP!! Costs keep going up.

The other thing that Smalls didn't tell you is that the Louisiana population has been labeled as an Experimental population that is UNNECESSARY for the long term survival of the species by the USFWS. Most biologists give the project less than a 30% chance for success (none will share that on the record) and after the 20 years is up then there is no current plans to continue the project. I calculated conservatively that the cost per surviving bird in the LA population would be between $1-$2 million per bird.

Robbie aka Big Hutch

[Duck Butter]

Originally Posted by Big Hutch

What Smalls didn't tell you that this is a 20 year project. So $400K x 20 years = HOLY CRAP!! Costs keep going up.

The other thing that Smalls didn't tell you is that the Louisiana population has been labeled as an Experimental population that is UNNECESSARY for the long term survival of the species by the USFWS. Most biologists give the project less than a 30% chance for success (none will share that on the record) and after the 20 years is up then there is no current plans to continue the project. I calculated conservatively that the cost per surviving bird in the LA population would be between $1-$2 million per bird.

Robbie aka Big Hutch

Still spreading completely false info I see

Please tell me where you derived $1-2 million per bird. The difference between 1-2 million is purty significant don't ya think (not what I would call 'calculating' more like guessing eh?). Me thinks your math is way off. I don't want you estimating for me if you are only coming within a million dollars per anything
And where in the world did you come up with these biologists that are giving a 30% chance for success? ('none that will share their name'). That's like W getting on here talking about how he heard there was a huge redfish kill behind the weirs yet the pics don't surface = no credibility

and the 20 year project? come on man all this is right there on the interwebz bro its a 15 year project


Dammit Smalls, spunt and topdwawg trolling again and we sure enough took the damn bait

[Smalls]

First off, according to LDWF's website, this is a 15 year project. Second, if we go by your math, they would $6 million. That means you are projecting only 3-6 birds to survive? It also states that they project needing to raise $3-4 million to fund a portion of the project. I would think conservatively, you are looking at $8 million. So by your math, that is only 4-8 birds surviving.

To date, they have done 4 releases , and this is the 3rd year of the project if I'm not mistaken. So, that means they have probably spent around $1.2 million to maybe $2 million. Currently, there are 21 adult birds and 10 juvenile birds in the population. So 31 birds, not counting the injured male. So by my math, to this point, you are probably looking at somewhere around $38k to $65k per bird at this point.

I didn't go in to all of those details because I didn't see it as pertinent to the current conversation. This thread was started in regards to the reward being offered.

I'm not saying its a good or bad use of money. Personally, I like whooping cranes. I think its a cool species, and maybe if they some how defy that 30% rate that everyone is sticking to them, maybe we can LEGALLY blast them one day. Doubt it, but who knows.

All I can say is, if you don't like it, call your congressman.