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At some point, government forcing business owners to spend thousands to accomodate customers who rarely (if ever) show up to spend money is an unConstitutional infringement on liberty and property. What's next, will every charter boat captain need a handicapped accessible boat? Will every porta potty need a handicapped accessible porta potty next to it? |
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My wifes aunt lost her business to a fire and had to rebuild. Ada required her to have a handicap accessible bathroom. The fact that the bathroom is for employees only didn't matter. She still had to meet ada code. There will never be a handicap person in there. |
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BTW you and yours is used in general and not a personal attack on anyone.
Things to ponder. A gay person can refuse to do business with a Christian baker and nothing happens. Flip the coin and it's a lawsuit. A muslim can refuse to do business with a Christian store and nothing happens. Flip the coin and it's a lawsuit. Walmart won't let me carry my gun even though I am breaking no laws. Is it their right? Yes. Should it be their right? Yes. By exercising their right they also insure that Krogers gets my money not Walmart. My question is when or where does it stop? If you are traveling and break down at our shop at closing time on Friday should I be required to stay after work and fix your car so your family doesn't have to sleep in it all weekend? If I don't fix your car and something happens to you should I be held liable? Everyone on here can say Duckman is an azzhole and he won't get my money and I think that is perfect but shouldn't a business be able to do the same? |
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As far as having to fix someones car... I feel like youre grasping for straws at that one. As long as you chose not to fix their car because of the religion they practice, color, or nationality, then its completely your choice because your company has made their own business hours. Businesses are not afforded the same rights as individuals.. because their sole purpose is to serve the general public. No exclusions thereof, the general public is the general public. In your example, you are in business to fix cars. Fixing cars for anyone except a certain color or religion etc of people is unconstitutional. Do you get where Im going with this? Just like my 78 year old grandpa. Hes a JOP. He was elected by the people to confirm that two people are eligible by the federal definition of marriage and the federal definition of marriage only otherwise interjecting his own personal beliefs would be a violation of separation of church and state which we have in a secular society. He had to marry a gay couple... he called us and he had a major issue with it and he considered resigning, but he loves his job its what keeps him busy in retirement so he had to recognize that the legal definition of a state sponsored marriage was defined by the Supreme Court by way of the Constitution so he sucked it up and did the ceremony based on the states definition of marriage.. if my 78 year old grandpa gets it I am having a hard time wondering why so many others dont. Its not the right of the business owner or any public official to interject their own beliefs in their job description. Im not saying this in a spiteful way, Im simply stating that no one is asking anyone to agree with someone elses lifestyle or even support it! all thats being asked is to perform the job you promised to do for the people. If you opened a business to fix cars, fix cars. Their personal lives and moral codes shouldnt concern you if youre in business to fix cars. Most importantly Im glad we can have a civil back and forth on differing opinions, its not often you find that anymore. |
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Unless you're a regular customer we work by appointment only. Sometimes we just happen to be too backed up to fit someone in in a reasonable time frame
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ha i was waiting for that!
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I hate to see evil statists like Cjleger pervert the Constitution.
The framers did not intend individual rights to be forfeited as soon as the individual is asking for payment for their services. Further, the framers would most assuredly be appalled at the lie that the Constitution demands handicapped ramps be built to access buildings 20 ft high at great expense to the proprietor to serve customers who exist in theory but who very rarely ever show up in person spending money and requiring such accomodations. |
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Edit: There are countless cases filed by the Paralyzed Veterans of America on behalf of handicap veterans under the ADA who could not gain access to establishments they wanted to frequent. Should they not have done this? Using your theory, they were selfish individuals who were only out to force businesses to spend more money on these theoretical patrons as you describe them...which I take issue with because there is no concrete evidence that you can provide to the show the amount of handicap people who visit Grand Isle and are otherwise inconvenience by the lack of accessibility.. just because youre handicap doesnt mean your life has ended or that you cant enjoy the same things that other people enjoy. But you know what, the founding fathers arent around to clarify some of the open ended questions we have regarding the application of the Constitution. So all we have left is to trust in the system that they created because if we dont, then what do we have? |
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Just to pose a question.
If a handicap person can force a business to be handicap accessible would it also be fair to charge a handicap person a higher rate to help offset the cost of building and maintaining a handicap accessible business? |
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No, because there are federal tax incentives that companies can take advantage of to offset the costs of being compliant.
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Here's what I see when I think of the ADA... http://www.facesoflawsuitabuse.org/2...ches-too-high/ |
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Yeah the government doesn't steal quite as much from you at tax time. Not sure how that is a good thing.
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Youd rather think of those instances instead of the good that it has brought into peoples lives but thats ok.. its common for humans to only want to see evidence that supports their opinions. Think of this instead though: I wont detail all cases but if youre interested to know more about them Google it. Bates V. UPS Michigan Paralyzed Veterans V. The University of Michigan Paralyzed Veterans of America v. Ellerbe Becket Any lawsuits regarding a service animal and a veteran V. a company |
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To be fair you asked if it would be fair to levy a charge against a handicap person for the increased costs of accommodation and I based my "no" off of the fact that the govt covers their half. Taxes arent bad, they are only bad because we have corrupt politicians who dont reinvest our money into something we can see, but thats an entirely different topic and sure to raise everyones blood pressure. |
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I say we drop all the bs "let's accomodate everyone" regulations. Hear me out.
Without the regulations there will be businesses that will accomodate people no matter their race, religion, sexual preference or physical ability and there will be businesses that won't accomodate. Let the free market work. Spend your money with a place that supports you and your lifestyle instead of a business that is forced to conform under threat of law and may very well in fact despise your very existence. |
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That makes our current system bad. I dont mind taxes if they were reinvested into the community instead of being sent overseas to countries Ill never go to.
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You're right man. They do plenty of reinvesting buit's not the kind we want to see happening. I
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