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View Poll Results: Should we go to war in syria | |||
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1) I am not saying that we cannot go toe to toe with anyone, we most certainly can. 2) I am saying that to dismiss a potential enemy as "not being worth a pimple on our azz" is pretty foolish thinking, and quite frankly every enemy post WWII who we not taken seriously has handed us our azzes. After 60+ years of post WWII conflicts, and 20+ years post cold war. Our military has just now really begun transforming itself to it's current mission of anti/terrorist / insurgency fighting. It remains to be seen if giving up our large scale conflict preparedness is the right thing to do. You say above that we need to wage war on them or they will come and wage war on us. Without a strong coalition of foreign nations (think Soviets, China, + middle east) coming together there will be no battles fought on american land (this assumes euro neutrality (if they choose to side with us, the battles will occur on their land first) If instead of traditional war your referring to terrorism, Then that is actually a facet of the methods in which countries choose to enforce their particular brand of -ism. Terror tactics were created to fight / wage war upon an opponent whom you cannot hope to best in a traditional manner. The problem / downfall of this is that in fighting terrorists you have to adopt unconventional tactics and you thereby create more terrorists every time you kill them. Thus, our policy should be one of "Live and Let Die" mind our own damned business, stop investing in goat herder futures, and start investing in our own nations infrastructure. Whether it be through exploitation of our own energy fields, or its getting going with proven hydrogen fuel tech, we certainly have the ability NOW to be energy independant. We should support our Strong Allies in the case of aggressions against their borders. But short of that we should mind our own business. What's holding these things up is not just the world politics it's the money. Do you think the OIL lobby wants to create a situation where america will become less oil dependant? Do you think the Military Industrial Lobby wants peace? Alternatively we can keep sending our 18 & 19 year old's to the mideast, who will undoubtably shoot a couple mullahs, with a few civilian casualty's on the side, and thereby help to grow the next generation of terrorists. I guess if it gets to be to much to handle we can just nuke the whole lot of em..... that should work well? |
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This seems like a pretty good synopsis of the situation in Syria, broken down "knucklehead" style. ELI5 "Explain It Like I'm 5"
http://en.reddit.com/r/explainlikeim...ia_and/cbwb1ld Quote:
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In WW! and WW2 and The Korean war ,Generals made the decisions, Generals gave the orders. When this was the sop we won wars .
Once we came to the age of instant communication. The politicians were able to stick their noses into the day to day operations on the battlefield. From that point on we have not "won" anything |
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And I did not say that we need to wage war on them, I said unfortunately that if we do nothing, it will eventually spill over into the US. I believe you take me for an individual that believes we should engage in the same tactics as our previous engagements. My belief is exact opposite, we should engage first, yes, but do it with muscle and make an example that the US is no longer a bunch of p u s sies. We should go in and slaughter all who are associated with terrosists organizations. It would take roughly a month. Then pull our troops back to the US. Then dare any terrosist group to organize and make the same mistake. If it were done in this manner, it would not cost the US but a fraction of the normal cost associated. |
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Air raid....bomb all there air strips, air bases, command post and just keep dropping bombs for a week then stop
Call them up ask ; We got 1 million xs more of that! Whats up!
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That strategy worked in Vietnam, didn't it?
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Anybody remember the PLO? . . . |
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We had ground troops...none needed here!!! you can have all you can stand by air and ships
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We are the best standing military complex in the world. That isn't even debatable, but so was England in 1775–1783 and they got whooped by a bunch of farmers. Guerilla tactics are extremely relevant, because that's what our enemies will use on us just like we did against ours when we were the out-manned and out-gun troops on the field. We might not be flat out beat by them, but they will tie us up in another decade of fighting someone else's war. I look at it as a fight between brothers. If I'm whooping up on my brother, it's all good. But when the other guy comes in and touches him, we'll both kick your @$$.
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I vote just nuke them baster, and drink a cold one
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Take the media out of it and kill who you thank needs killing !!! And clam it as US land. Not this we going to just help you out crap. We did that in the 80 in Afrikaans and they turned on us!!!!!!!
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Honestly:
I threw away the first link because it talked about Miley Cyrus. I know who runs the World and it isn't God. The second video I simply throw away. Atrocities happen in war on both sides. In my opinion we shouldn't cite one/two individuals actions to take sides. I am not excusing his actions, but we have no idea what has happened to this man. Has his family been killed by the gas explosions? Is he martyring them? Was he tortured? In Vietnam our guys did some detestable things. Should another country have taken the North Vietnamese side because of that?....Things happened at Gitmo recently..Is that reason to be against the U.S...The Kansas redlegs and Missouri bushwackers cut the heads off of victims and put them on sticks...Both sides..Which side to take?..Prisoners of war were routinely killed on both sides during WWII, should we have decided sides by who killed more? Both Germany and Britain participated in carpet bombing campaigns that set whole cities on fire and indiscriminately killed thousands of women, children and helpless...The whole city of Dresden caught fire in WWII..... No no, too many isolated instances of barbarism will take place during war to pick sides based off of that......Mistake. War is awful on all fronts though. Veterans go and hide during thunderclaps, cry at night, don't talk about things, have lucid flashbacks, are on mind altering medication for life. Most are not fit for society and/or have tremendous trouble coping. Do we want our guys to go into this? The only wars worth fighting in my mind are the ones where innocent women and children and the elderly are in danger or maybe where genocide is taking place, or when we would be forced to defend ourselves. Times that the US should have intervened or didn't intervene enough and there are probably more that are not as publicized: Rwanda- genocide Bosnia/Herzegovina - genocide There isn't a lot of information out on this one yet. I think we should stay clear until we know more. But absolutely we should do all that we can in the meantime. It is worth bankrupting the country to do good for the rest of the world. War should be the last option because of the atrocities that come from it. As an informed citizen I wouldn't want to pick sides based off of a Glenn Beck video. No matter how much I don't trust the government there is waaaaayyyyyyyy too much that goes on that I don't know about. Classified information that even Glenn Beck can't get to. I will trust/support whatever the Government's Supreme Commander in Chief decides. |
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Obama loves muslims
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People are appalled at the sight of dead children and want revenge. We, the U.S. ,killed thousands of children in Hiroshima and Nagasaki and were dancing in the streets. As a Vietnam helicopter pilot, I saw the worst humanity has to offer! We need to keep our *** at home and take care of our own !
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Syria IS NOT OUR PROBLEM OR OUR RESPONSIBILITY
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