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LMAO! but ya can only keep 15 trout..and only 2 big ones..
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When you don't take enough trout out of a given area you start having more smaller trout hog your food source . As you know big trout will not compete with school trout for food . Places where you target bigger trout you can now catch limits of trout . And if you look at WestCove the hardest hit of oystering every year buy yields the biggest trout in the lake every year ! So the 2-3 years of dredging would of depleted West Cove the most but West Cove is the strongest area of big trout Our big trout decline started year after limit change and has fallen lower and lower of big 9-11lb trout caught Don't get me wrong we still have lots of 5-8lb trout but no where close to 2006 and before
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Human pressure on spotted seatrout has increased, but pressure from all other natural predators on seatrout has decreased substantially. Most prey species tend to move to areas where there is more food and less threat from predators. The expansion of oil platforms in the Gulf provides more open water habitat than ever, and the nutrient loading from the Mississippi river has increased the biomass of their prey between four and sixfold. Combined with the decrease in sharks in open water and the increase in anglers inshore suggest that significant fractions of the seatrout populations are simply spending more time in the open Gulf where there are fewer predators and more prey. The spotted seatrout is much more flexible than other inshore species with respect to acceptable habitat, and it is unlikely that human harvest provide the most significant life history bottleneck. Habitat use does not necessarily imply habitat dependence. Concluding that a wildife population is threatened because they are not in the same place where they used to be has been proven to be bad science time and again. Whitetail deer populations have shifted over the decades from wild woodlands to prefer farmland and suburbia. Red Snapper have shifted their population from the eastern Gulf of Mexico to the northern and western Gulf of Mexico. Spotted seatrout may have simply learned to avoid the inshore predators in favor of safer habitat with more abundant food. |
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When you have areas of bait and schools of thousands of trout ... Big trout willnot stay !! For one big trout eat big fish, mullet croaker etc... Not shrimp and tiny shad When you over run small trout in a area like big lake you deplete big trout A trout can eat Breakfast in Turners , Lunch at wash out and Supper @ Jetties We don't not have a huge place when you are not culling enough trout out! If science would of said.: yes big lake needs to reduce its limits to keep health trout population , that's one thing . They actually said Big Lake from its SPR #s could support a 30 trout limit per person which is double from what we have !! So there is your answer why Big Trout #s are down!!! Too Many Trout
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I too have noticed a decline in really big trout along with it being harder to catch any size trout out of BL. Granted I don't fish BL year round but have been fishing there for over thirty years. I do believe there were far more trout of all sizes in the lake in those early years..including your 8-9lbers. Catching was far easier back then compared to what it takes to put a limit in the boat today. Why? Fishing pressure pure and simple along with reef destruction. The less structure you have in that lake the more fish will compete over them until the structure can no longer sustain that many fish. The more reefs, the more fish and with more fish the percentage survival rate of larger fish will increase.
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Math Geek! You wanna be our NXT Presidient? You seem sum kinda Smart.
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My grand paw and great grand paw would go out in lake shrimp and pull shrimp boat up to spots in lake and catch 250 trout in no time . You talk to old timers about big lake during gill net days.There was no having to wake up at 5am to catch the bite .. You got out at 8-9-10 am and never stop catching fish
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The limit of trout is probably the very least important thing for the east side fisheries. We are losing land at an incredible rate. You can see it for yourself if you just drive over the new bridge in Leeville. The old roads go under water often, and the places you caught fish the year before look different each year due to erosion and subsidence. We better all take good pictures every tiime you go to Grand Isle because it is going to look different even in a decade. Even Elmer's Island looks different from what it looked like 10 or 15 years ago due to sea level rise. Its very noticeable
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In contrast, erosion, saltwater intrusion, conversion of marsh type, loss of oyster reefs, and industrial contamination are the bigger issues facing most of the estuaries in southern Louisiana. However, because of high fecundity, fast growth rates, early maturity, and less dependence on marsh habitat, the spotted seatrout has a life history that is much less likely to be strongly impacted by these factors than other inshore and nearshore species. At present, it is unclear whether observations of fewer trophy spotted seatrout in some estuaries that have previously demonstrated outstanding trophy potential are due to loss of oyster reef and other habitat issues or whether reduction in the trophy potential is due to overpopulated smaller seatrout (due to underharvest). Addressing this question would likely require a thorough stock assessment both of spotted seatrout as well as their major food sources. A spotted seatrout stock assessment should include both fisheries dependent and fisheries independent survey methods, surveys of larval and juvenile stages, analysis of weight, length, body condition, and growth of both juveniles and adults. Without a sound stock assessment, it is unclear whether a limit reduction would help or hurt the stocks. If the spotted seatrout are currently overpopulated relative to their available food supply in a given estuary, then reducing limits will exacerbate the problem by increasing pressure on the available food supply. If the spotted seatrout are underpopulated then limit reductions may be necessary as a part of a management plan. You can think of it this way: if the reduction of an estuary's trophy trout potential is due to overharvest, then a stock assessment will show a much smaller proportion of older fish, but the fish that are present will be plump and fast growing because there is relatively abundant forage for the fish that are present. In contrast, if the reduction of an estuary's trophy trout potential is due to overpopulation relative to the food supply, then a thorough stock assessment will show slower growth rates, thinner fish, and declining body condition with the age and length of the fish that are present. The sampling protocol is something of a challenge and would need to include significant sampling in the nearshore Gulf waters adjacent to the estuary to be sure because it would be likely that spotted seatrout would be migrating to the Gulf at earlier ages in search of food if food is limiting their growth in the estuary. I understand the temptation to lower limits because it is an easy answer and at least represents "doing something" when faced with the concern of the future of a fishery. Unfortunately, government types are often too quick to give into this temptation because rule changes are cheaper and easier than thorough stock assessments and good science. The esturaries and future of the fisheries would be better served if we pressured the government types to conduct, publish, and explain thorough stock assessments rather than pressuring for rule changes in their absence. |
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I kind of agree with this about trout moving to less pressure areas like offshore. I stated above that lots of trout never come inland just make offshore and beaches there habitat On another note our trout study showed our trout seldom left the estuary. Also as Jeff Poe stated about big lake, we don't have the pressure like we did 8-10 years ago. Anglers have become more spread out and no longer see 50 -70 boats on long point , commissary or wash out like before. Trout do get resting time more now than before .
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Sorry, but I don't see any mention of "Big Lake". |
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In regards to Lake Pontchatrain I think from the mid 90s-early 2000 we were in a "big fish cycle",personally I would take the wait and see approach,another cycle could be right around the corner.What I see out there is patterns are changing,the great wall of Chalmette blocking MRGO changed the plumbing of the area,spillway openings have a longer impact than before.In areas I used to catch small mangrove snapper am now seeing Bass.Too many variables other than fishing pressure.
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MathGeek, could WL&F afford to put you on pay roll?? And why don't you pursue a job like this ?
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More state or government jobs is the last thing Louisiana needs. |
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Year after year more land is lost in the baratria estuary, sad situation.
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