McNeese Ducks Unlimited

[AubreyLaHaye458]

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Originally Posted by AubreyLaHaye458

DU works more in Louisiana than in any other state in the Mississippi Flyway and has spent over $58 million worth of conservation work that has affected over 350,000 acres





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what are they conserving since not near the amount of ducks come down.

Before I begin to answer this question in gonna need you to do a little reading on your own. Meaux posted a map of DU projects in the state not too far back and I listed them early on.


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[MarshRat89]

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Originally Posted by AubreyLaHaye458

DU works more in Louisiana than in any other state in the Mississippi Flyway and has spent over $58 million worth of conservation work that has affected over 350,000 acres





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what are they conserving since not near the amount of ducks come down.

Funny, we're killing around twice the amount of ducks we were 15 years ago. But the ducks don't migrate down anymore. You know why they killed so may ducks in "the good ole days"? They had areas to rest birds. Now with every section of the Marshes and fields leased up the birds have no choice but to raft up on large lakes and bays. They find ways to adapt to the pressure.
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[cgoods17]

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Originally Posted by toodeep

Funny, we're killing around twice the amount of ducks we were 15 years ago. But the ducks don't migrate down anymore. You know why they killed so may ducks in "the good ole days"? They had areas to rest birds. Now with every section of the Marshes and fields leased up the birds have no choice but to raft up on large lakes and bays. They find ways to adapt to the pressure.
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you kill all those grey ducks with that snow goose call?

[AubreyLaHaye458]

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Originally Posted by MarshRat89

you kill all those grey ducks with that snow goose call?

Shhhhhhhj. Trade secret.


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[MarshRat89]

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Originally Posted by MarshRat89

you kill all those grey ducks with that snow goose call?

That's for the spoonies.


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[Smalls]

Originally Posted by toodeep

what are they conserving since not near the amount of ducks come down.

Well, unless Larry is lying, we had 2 million more birds in November 2014 than we had in Nov 2004. I don't know how good Larry's eye sight is, but I would assume good enough to not overestimate by 2 million.

So, yeah, there's that....

[Top Dawg]

Ducks have a hard time up there boys. They need your money.
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[DaPointIsDaBomb]

DU and CCA are responsible for the death of my silver lab

[Feesherman]

Why dey call it ducks unlimited? Shouldn't it be called rich man's land unlimited?

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[Marque]

Yikes

[Top Dawg]

What's really funny is they supposed to be about the ducks lol. I witnessed a DU "big wig" tell someone one day "if I woulda known that was your truck with the delta sticker I woulda ripped it off" being serious as all get out haha. That's when u come to realize it's not about the ducks.

[AubreyLaHaye458]

Originally Posted by Top Dawg

What's really funny is they supposed to be about the ducks lol. I witnessed a DU "big wig" tell someone one day "if I woulda known that was your truck with the delta sticker I woulda ripped it off" being serious as all get out haha. That's when u come to realize it's not about the ducks.

Your point? You're judging a whole organization based off of what you heard one guy say to another?

Cool story


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[Top Dawg]

Originally Posted by AubreyLaHaye458

Your point? You're judging a whole organization based off of what you heard one guy say to another?

Cool story


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I would be mad too. I understand your hostility.

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[AubreyLaHaye458]

Originally Posted by Top Dawg

I would be mad too. I understand your hostility.

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I'm just trying to get you to make an argument that makes sense or has some kind of solid support. So far all you've got is a picture you got off of google and some eavesdropping


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[Wrh]

These gobs of land purchases up north are used as sanctuaries for the birds to reproduce. If they don't have these places to do so then your duck season will undoubtably become worse because the duck population will slowly but surely shrink because the land they go to would become commercialized.

[Lake Chuck Duck]

Originally Posted by Wrh

These gobs of land purchases up north are used as sanctuaries for the birds to reproduce. If they don't have these places to do so then your duck season will undoubtably become worse because the duck population will slowly but surely shrink because the land they go to would become commercialized.

Just curious, are they actually purchasing this land? And what are they doing to manage the land they purchase?

[Lake Chuck Duck]

Originally Posted by Lake Chuck Duck

Just curious, are they actually purchasing this land? And what are they doing to manage the land they purchase?

^^This is a legitimate question for anyone that wants to answer it.

As far as all these "Louisiana" projects are concerned, the only thing that can help Louisiana hunters is to start growing rice again, and thats out of any ones hands except the farmers.

And yes, the majority of Delta Funds are spent up north in the breeding grounds of the Dakotas and Canada. Without healthy hatchery you have less ducks. The only difference is Delta figured out how to do it effectively and efficiently. Why would you "purchase" or lease a whole plot of land when all you really need is the potholes? Lease the potholes and trap them, set up hen nests, the farmer gets to make money off his crops and makes money off the low lying unusable land all while reducing costs to the organization. The ALUS program in Canada is redefining conservationist/farmer relations and actually producing measurable results by making the farmer a major part of the process.

DU busy trying to bribe people with fleece jackets and making sure they keep Academy stocked with seat covers, steering wheel covers, stickers, wrapping paper, trinkets, etc......lmao

[Top Dawg]

Originally Posted by Lake Chuck Duck

^^This is a legitimate question for anyone that wants to answer it.

As far as all these "Louisiana" projects are concerned, the only thing that can help Louisiana hunters is to start growing rice again, and thats out of any ones hands except the farmers.

And yes, the majority of Delta Funds are spent up north in the breeding grounds of the Dakotas and Canada. Without healthy hatchery you have less ducks. The only difference is Delta figured out how to do it effectively and efficiently. Why would you "purchase" or lease a whole plot of land when all you really need is the potholes? Lease the potholes and trap them, set up hen nests, the farmer gets to make money off his crops and makes money off the low lying unusable land all while reducing costs to the organization. The ALUS program in Canada is redefining conservationist/farmer relations and actually producing measurable results by making the farmer a major part of the process.

DU busy trying to bribe people with fleece jackets and making sure they keep Academy stocked with seat covers, steering wheel covers, stickers, wrapping paper, trinkets, etc......lmao

They purchase the whole plot cuz the big wigs need a place to hunt while these face painters steady buying their gun calendars haha. As far as the projects in louisiana that were mentioned...Well that's almost comical.

[gckid]

what turned me off of DU was a debate Question between DU rep and Delta waterfowl rep. When questioned about predator control Delta had data on trapped areas/un trapped duck production that they paid trappers to trap. Du said they did not want to offend non hunters with predator control.

[Smalls]

Originally Posted by Lake Chuck Duck

^^This is a legitimate question for anyone that wants to answer it.

As far as all these "Louisiana" projects are concerned, the only thing that can help Louisiana hunters is to start growing rice again, and thats out of any ones hands except the farmers.

And yes, the majority of Delta Funds are spent up north in the breeding grounds of the Dakotas and Canada. Without healthy hatchery you have less ducks. The only difference is Delta figured out how to do it effectively and efficiently. Why would you "purchase" or lease a whole plot of land when all you really need is the potholes? Lease the potholes and trap them, set up hen nests, the farmer gets to make money off his crops and makes money off the low lying unusable land all while reducing costs to the organization. The ALUS program in Canada is redefining conservationist/farmer relations and actually producing measurable results by making the farmer a major part of the process.

DU busy trying to bribe people with fleece jackets and making sure they keep Academy stocked with seat covers, steering wheel covers, stickers, wrapping paper, trinkets, etc......lmao

They don't always buy the land. Easements are used in some cases. The land they do own has varying levels of management placed upon it. I've heard of some areas not being as intensively managed as others (water control being a primary tool). The main thing is the preservation of the breeding grounds.

As far as buying the whole vs only the pothole.....you can't just manage the potholes. If all of the land around is converted or farmed, the pothole is degraded as well. It's the same principle as protecting marshes and prairies along the gulf coast for mottled ducks--the mottled duck doesn't just need the marsh, it needs the prairie as well. Same for the ducks that use the prairie potholes.

The ALUS is a great program. NRCS has similar programs here that DU has backed. The Migratory Bird Habitat Initiative was one of those.

Delta is a great organization, but they do not put the emphasis on the entire flyway like DU does. Like you said, Delta's focus is the breeding grounds. What good does more ducks do if you have no wintering habitat? Is that not one of our biggest issues? We've lost over 90% of the prairie in Louisiana. We are coastal wetlands at alarming rates, something that no one can seem to erase and no one seems to have a quick answer to.

I love that Delta is so big on predator control, but again, that goes back to the habitat. If we weren't losing the potholes at such high rates, the predator densities would not be so high. When you concentrate the prey, it concentrates the predator. Rebuild the habitat, expand the habitat, and it reduces the pressure from predators.

What I don't understand is why it seems the two don't work together. Maybe they do. Both have a common goal.

And I'm not even going to touch the "trinkets" comments. If your basis for why DU is bad is because someone else is selling a product with their logo on it, then I've got nothing for you. Especially when Delta has a--albeit, limited--store on their website.