Browning rifles

[FF_T_Warren]

Originally Posted by Deadly D

Wait there I got a 7600 rem that is 26 yrs old and zeroed at 300 and I can shoot the bulls eye out of the paper.

I dont think you understand my post. first off I am saying to go with remington all the way, they are tried and true and great guns.
second, I think you are confused with the term keyholing. A bullet obviously should fly straight and stay in a spiral motion keeping it on target and flying correctly. Keyholing is when a bullet gets all wobbly in flight and when it hits the target, instead of punching right through it and leaving a perfect circle, it hits the target sideways and leaves the target with a "keyhole" shaped hole instead of the perfect circle. keyholing is a bad thing. basically with a gun that is doing that, itd never be accurate as a longer distance gun because the bullet isn't flying straight or consistent.
Keyholing may not be noticeable at 100yds but out past that you may start noticing it. And when someone had this problem browning basically told them Oh well, we will only guarantee it to 100 yards. Which is JUNK and I'd never buy one on that principle anyway. Not to mention look at what your military and law enforcements shoot. If they aren't shooting custom made guns, most are shooting Rem700 or at least guns with the rem700 action.

[wtretrievers]

Originally Posted by FF_T_Warren

I dont think you understand my post. first off I am saying to go with remington all the way, they are tried and true and great guns.
second, I think you are confused with the term keyholing. A bullet obviously should fly straight and stay in a spiral motion keeping it on target and flying correctly. Keyholing is when a bullet gets all wobbly in flight and when it hits the target, instead of punching right through it and leaving a perfect circle, it hits the target sideways and leaves the target with a "keyhole" shaped hole instead of the perfect circle. keyholing is a bad thing. basically with a gun that is doing that, itd never be accurate as a longer distance gun because the bullet isn't flying straight or consistent.
Keyholing may not be noticeable at 100yds but out past that you may start noticing it. And when someone had this problem browning basically told them Oh well, we will only guarantee it to 100 yards. Which is JUNK and I'd never buy one on that principle anyway. Not to mention look at what your military and law enforcements shoot. If they aren't shooting custom made guns, most are shooting Rem700 or at least guns with the rem700 action.

You tell me if you were a gun manufactor that you would warranty your gun that was keyholing at over 100 yards, BS! What kind of ammo is this guy using, reloads, reloads that are loaded to hot, factory? Whats the wind conditions while he's shooting? Is he shooting till barrel gets so hot you can't touch it? Who knows, alot goes into this. Some guns like "certain" ammo, certain brands, certain bullets & certain weights, I have Remingtons, Brownings, Winchesters, TC's, Rugers & they all like something different. I pretty much hunt with one standared bullet, Core Lokt, But that's hunting, If i'm punching dimes at 300 a core lokt aint gonna cut it out of 90% of my guns. Some people think that if they buy a $50 box of shell they're gun should shoot dot's at 300 yards, aint gonna happen! I can't blame a manufactor one bit, who knows what this yahoo is shooting. I got BAR's that will hang with some of the finest bolt actions made "if" I shoot the bullet it likes.

[FF_T_Warren]

Originally Posted by wtretrievers

You tell me if you were a gun manufactor that you would warranty your gun that was keyholing at over 100 yards, BS! What kind of ammo is this guy using, reloads, reloads that are loaded to hot, factory? Whats the wind conditions while he's shooting? Is he shooting till barrel gets so hot you can't touch it? Who knows, alot goes into this. Some guns like "certain" ammo, certain brands, certain bullets & certain weights, I have Remingtons, Brownings, Winchesters, TC's, Rugers & they all like something different. I pretty much hunt with one standared bullet, Core Lokt, But that's hunting, If i'm punching dimes at 300 a core lokt aint gonna cut it out of 90% of my guns. Some people think that if they buy a $50 box of shell they're gun should shoot dot's at 300 yards, aint gonna happen! I can't blame a manufactor one bit, who knows what this yahoo is shooting. I got BAR's that will hang with some of the finest bolt actions made "if" I shoot the bullet it likes.

I dont remember the exact post or exactly where I read it but I do believe the guy had tried several different bullet types, and as a reputable manufacturer I would at least offer to look into the problem if the guy had tried alternate rounds. Not just say Oh well, sorry.

[wtretrievers]

Originally Posted by FF_T_Warren

I dont remember the exact post or exactly where I read it but I do believe the guy had tried several different bullet types, and as a reputable manufacturer I would at least offer to look into the problem if the guy had tried alternate rounds. Not just say Oh well, sorry.

Yeah.......that's his version of the story, no telling what all went on between him & the factory rep either, He probably didn't like the answer & got .

I have a new Winchester SXR in a 300 wsm. I went thru several different boxes of different shells, shot a box of each before I found what it liked. I never dreamed it would shoot a 150gr core lokt in such a tight group at 200 yds. It blew the winchester ballistic tip, horanday st's & horanday preimums, federal preimums, vital shoks, etc.....out the water! Basically the cheapest bullet shot the best, who'd a thunk it! I was ready to throw the rifle in the garbage!