Gated waters.......Lets Talk

[Gottogo49]

The Northwest corner of Black Lake is posted private. It wasn't dug by the State, just coastal erosion. I'm sure that Ray knows who owns the mineral rights to all those oil wells in Black Lake. Could the whole lake be posted? Who owns the mineral rights to the well heads in North Calcasieu Lake? Could that be posted? Sticky Wicket. In my humble opinion, if the waters of the State flow into it you should have access. If the landowner wants it to be private, dam it up. That's what they did along the salt ditch, dammed it up. We would have to stay out of the coastal marshes during hunting season. Here's another fun one, can a wharf owner legally ask you to move away from his lights at night? Why can't we all just share and get along? It's not human nature.

[eman]

Originally Posted by Gottogo49

The Northwest corner of Black Lake is posted private. It wasn't dug by the State, just coastal erosion. I'm sure that Ray knows who owns the mineral rights to all those oil wells in Black Lake. Could the whole lake be posted? Who owns the mineral rights to the well heads in North Calcasieu Lake? Could that be posted? Sticky Wicket. In my humble opinion, if the waters of the State flow into it you should have access. If the landowner wants it to be private, dam it up. That's what they did along the salt ditch, dammed it up. We would have to stay out of the coastal marshes during hunting season. Here's another fun one, can a wharf owner legally ask you to move away from his lights at night? Why can't we all just share and get along? It's not human nature.

That's the whole problem, If you want to close off a canal on your land then you need to dam it and close it off and fill it in if you want.
But to put up a gate to keep out boats while letting the fish and shrimp and crabs in so you have a private fishing hole is wrong.
And no a wharf owner can not make you leave . He can turn the lights out but he can't make you leave. On the other side of that fence, Everyone needs to show some respect and not pull up to someones lights when they are out there fishing or move on if they come out on their pier to fish.
But just because they don't want you fishing around their lights is not good enough.

[LaAngler]

Originally Posted by eman

And no a wharf owner can not make you leave . He can turn the lights out but he can't make you leave. On the other side of that fence, Everyone needs to show some respect and not pull up to someones lights when they are out there fishing or move on if they come out on their pier to fish.

I had a guy pull right up to my light the other night. trolled within 30 feet of the dock off to the side of the light. Then he started casting parallel with the dock.

The specks were very spooky anyway so of course neither one of us were catching after he pulled up.

I could only make 10 foot casts or i would cross his line. He told me he was coming to this spot anyway b/c it was protected from the wind. (yah rite) I was just in a good mood so I was friendly and didn't say anything.

["W"]

Originally Posted by LaAngler

I had a guy pull right up to my light the other night. trolled within 30 feet of the dock off to the side of the light. Then he started casting parallel with the dock.

The specks were very spooky anyway so of course neither one of us were catching after he pulled up.

I could only make 10 foot casts or i would cross his line. He told me he was coming to this spot anyway b/c it was protected from the wind. (yah rite) I was just in a good mood so I was friendly and didn't say anything.

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[fishinpox]

Originally Posted by "W"

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["W"]

Originally Posted by Gottogo49

The Northwest corner of Black Lake is posted private. It wasn't dug by the State, just coastal erosion. I'm sure that Ray knows who owns the mineral rights to all those oil wells in Black Lake. Could the whole lake be posted? Who owns the mineral rights to the well heads in North Calcasieu Lake? Could that be posted? Sticky Wicket. In my humble opinion, if the waters of the State flow into it you should have access. If the landowner wants it to be private, dam it up. That's what they did along the salt ditch, dammed it up. We would have to stay out of the coastal marshes during hunting season. Here's another fun one, can a wharf owner legally ask you to move away from his lights at night? Why can't we all just share and get along? It's not human nature.

There is so many fine lines in this issue....thats why it went to court ...but as for as Big Lake its public....State has the mineral rights to the lake... ...

But here is one for you........ My neighbor had a well hit on his property in 2001...... it was 44 acres.... Over the past 8 years to 2009.. he was not getting paid for the road that ran thought his property.... The state said that was there rights.....
He took it to court and won.... they had to back pay him 3 acres of mineral rights for the road that went over his land......

As far as lights......That wharf is not on there property just a part of it..so yes you can fish it all you want

[ShadMan]

Originally Posted by "W"

He took it to court and won.... they had to back pay him 3 acres of mineral rights for the road that went over his land......

I doubt this is correct. They probably had to buy the actual land rights from him to drive on, not the mineral rights. You are allowed to drive on private land to get to landlocked areas (right of way), but you have to use the least amount of encroachment as possible, meaning drive on the very edge of the property, etc. You can't drive down the center of someone's property, unless it is the only way to get to your land. This is probably the reason the state had to purchase the land they were driving on...they were likely not driving on the "right of way".

["W"]

Originally Posted by ShadMan

I doubt this is correct. They probably had to buy the actual land rights from him to drive on, not the mineral rights. You are allowed to drive on private land to get to landlocked areas (right of way), but you have to use the least amount of encroachment as possible, meaning drive on the very edge of the property, etc. You can't drive down the center of someone's property, unless it is the only way to get to your land. This is probably the reason the state had to purchase the land they were driving on...they were likely not driving on the "right of way".

This was a public road.... It was a dead ended road and he owned the property on both sides.......When he looked at the land survey he was 3 or 4 acres short on his mineral rights agreement....His lawyer stated that the State claimed the public road mineral rights. He took that to court and the courts said the State Did not own the mineral rights under the road, it was his.....Then they paid him back pay