Both were from in a fence, several thousand acres. If you have never hunted in a fence before that is several thousand acres it is just like open terrain. Try hunting there and you will see -- it is just about as close to fair chase as you can imagine. Deer act the same and are not as easy to kill as you might imagine. Now, a 200 acre fence, yes like shootin fish in a barrell and no sport really. But if you want to manage a herd of deeer and not have every swingin' &^$# shoot every 4 point they see then you need to hunt a fence to have quality deer unless you have a 10,000 acre plus low fence that is fed protein heavily. And that, my friends, can cost up to 50K a year to feed a ranch that size. BTW, the 11 point was 8 + years old as it had only 4 bottom teeth left. The only reason he has survived is that he was eating protein.
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