15 Trout Limit Discussion PUBLIC

[all star rod]

W, winning is getting the limit changed back to 25....so until then, you are LOSING.....sorry to bust your bubble.

Btw, I think it should be 25..

["W"]

Originally Posted by Choupique

I would spend my energy on them worrying about the oystering over there, but thats just me.

Originally Posted by ckinchen

Exactly, that is the real issue we should all work together on.

Originally Posted by ckinchen

There are plenty of people that recognize the danger that is present with the over harvesting of oysters, some of which are people have the power to make sure the lake is protected.

I assume a small publication or two will pick up on the current limit debate that is going on here due to the outreach of this website but I suspect it will not make an impact.

I personally and speaking for the site will not get involved in the limit issue one way or another on either side as I believe there are bigger issues and that bigger issue is protecting the food resources in the lake (oysters). I recognize that you have to pick your battles and in politics you should only fight the battles that really matter the most. I would however stand firm behind a push to continue to limit oyster harvesting in the lake and I would be willing to us the contacts and resources that I have obtained. There are a large number of people on the sidelines that would help us take up the oyster conservation fight. You were one of the loudest most vocal opponents on the over harvesting of oysters until one of you close “family friends” decided to introduce a bill to the contrary (I can pull the post for everyone to see it if you would like). Since then you have completely changed your position. You also served on the board of the CCA after the limits were changed and stood firm behind their mission and values so for you to blame them now after having been a part of management and the decision making process to me is shady politics.

You had an excellent opportunity to bring about change when you actually had a vote and voice, where was this 14 page thread then (I recognize you were on LAS then)? What if one of your neighbors or close family friends takes another stand against raising the limit, will you leave all of your apparent supporters on the site standing alone holding the bag like you did on the oyster issue? In a thread that speaks to conservation and what is best for the lake even though they may be joking there are people on this very thread talking about gill nets which almost destroyed the redfish and trout population and would have had it not been for the work of the CCA. This thread and cause needs leadership, right now it is heading in multiple directions and any mention of gill nets and what will happen “after” the limits are raised would possibly cause you all to not be considered conservationist but instead greedy fishermen, if that is the case both causes are finished.

This is my last post on this thread but just a few food for thoughts as this thread continues and I am not interested in the current direction and or debating the limit topic. If you guys want to get serious about the over harvesting of oysters let me know.

If there is a group that pushes for the 25 trout limit and science shows that such limit is good for the lake then I wish you guys the best. However having to pick one cause to support the choice for me is very easy, the food resources of the lake are a much higher priority.

Originally Posted by ckinchen

Just because someone can make a living off of the public's resources does not mean it should be accepted. People made money while fishing with gill nets, we all agree that was not a good idea. People can make money dumping toxic waste in the Sabine Refuge, still not a good idea.

Some oystering is ok, the complete lack of oversight and over harvesting that took place on the lake prior to this year was a serious mismanagement of the estuary and there are people in power right now that are trying to get us back to that point.

If big lake become a giant mud hole with no significant food for the trout population you/we will have bigger issues than what our limits are. This in my mind is a big picture issue.

Originally Posted by ckinchen

I just undeleted the two post that were deleted by the mods (w's and mcjared's), I want people to see how W really feels. Take a look everyone, this is your leader in action. Ready to follow him to battle?

Show me some proof from biologist that supports this above??? We proved over and over on our issue with facts
If you show me one biological fact on this issue I will shut up

[jdm4x43732]

Originally Posted by all star rod

Btw, I think it should be 25..

Ding ding ding!!! Winner winner Chicken Dinner!!! We found something you two can agree on!!

[ckinchen]

Originally Posted by "W"

Show me some proof from biologist that supports this above??? We proved over and over on our issue with facts
If you show me one biological fact on this issue I will shut up

Like you said you know more than all of us and 99% of the people on this site are office fishermen. Some of us have aluminum boats, some throw shrimp, some do not have a Haynie. Out of our 6,000 members, you are down to about 10 that you respect and are your people. The rest of us are not worthy of your time so I won't bother.

What I might do is create a subsection on the site just for you and your very small band of followers.

I'm done, I had no reason to be in this conversation in the first place other than I wanted people to see you for what you really are. I think they get the picture now.

On the Oyster issue, just go back a couple of posts and read your own quotes. Seems like we were on the same page then. That was before office politics got the best of you Mr. President.

[1fastmerc]

Originally Posted by "W"

Show me some proof from biologist that supports this above??? We proved over and over on our issue with facts
If you show me one biological fact on this issue I will shut up

Somebody find something even if you gotta resort to the "Obama" way and make it up so he will SHUTUP.


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["W"]

Originally Posted by ckinchen

W it seems like you sure were hell bent on taking out the oyster problem, but now you have completed your 180? That office politician that is a family friend sure did put you in your place.

See below, I have plenty more where this came from Mr. Obama/ W.

10-07-2011, 05:10 PM
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We have a problem....if it was not a problem we would not be talking about it.

Out of town oystermen have no respect for our lake just like Texas fisherman who come fish
Texas fisherman will preach Catch and Release on their how waters in TX but come to our Lake and kill em all!

Same with Oyster fisherman from Out of Town

16 permits were given to Houma fisherman! Like they care!

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Oyster fisherman They Mad
LMAO...they have some Oyster fisherman protesting on main street in Jennings about Oyster permit ban...
(I guess here because Dan Morrish office is here)
I stopped to see what the fuss was about and almost got shanked,...

I said I fish Big Lake and yall were killing our reefs...how about let's Tong and all u can have permits?? They did not want to hear that!!!

I asked one question ...I said when the lake was tong only they had 25 boats working! Now they have 300,,,,can u explain? That's when I had to leave!!!

Got sum pics but my angles sucked...tried to seak them with out them seeing me
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Originally Posted by Hebert
again..you have people that want to restrict other people's right to fish.....when are they gonna learn they don't own our fisheries? if it comes to a few select chosen few to earn a living in this or the right of any cajun who wants to go out and fish for some oysters..the cajun has every right to do it because it is his heritage to do it. pilgrim or no pilgrim...that's one of the reasons they made vo-tech and 2 year college's ...for people that need to re-educate their selves if they don't like what is going on in their profession.

again...Heritage means hard working people..so tong your oysters and dont dredge our lake to death...When its whipped out...I guess you will be the one who blames the WL&F for closing it for 10 years??
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We are not wanting to take any jobs away.,,, your missing the point...we have no beds left and we do not seed...so the ones who don't care and just want a fast in and out buck should have to work for it.... If the want to come tong come tong..but right now you have 250 boats dredging on 6 reefs... I promise if they ban dredging and go to tong only for anyone who wants to oyster... You will have 25-30 boats working... And BTW I crawfished for 8 years and I know how hard that BS is.....

You proved what???? I never said I supported oysterfisherman but my fact on the subject is pure speculation (as yall see it) you said show facts....prove

Your telling me I can't get a limit change with hard evidence right ??? Show me hard evidence on oysterfishing other that observing it everyday


Have I ever posted things from biologist about oysters ??


This don't change my thinking one bit, I hope they ban them for 1000 years

["W"]

Originally Posted by ckinchen

Like you said you know more than all of us and 99% of the people on this site are office fishermen. Some of us have aluminum boats, some throw shrimp, some do not have a Haynie. Out of our 6,000 members, you are down to about 10 that you respect and are your people. The rest of us are not worthy of your time so I won't bother.

What I might do is create a subsection on the site just for you and your very small band of followers.

I'm done, I had no reason to be in this conversation in the first place other than I wanted people to see you for what you really are. I think they get the picture now.

On the Oyster issue, just go back a couple of posts and read your own quotes. Seems like we were on the same page then. That was before office politics got the best of you Mr. President.

My point proven.....you have no facts to support oyster banning you jumped the gun by acting like you wanted to change the topic but when called out to show us some facts to support your cause .
You come up with ways to try to make me look bad

Wrong you lost this debate from jumping on a subject that you can not base nothing more than speculation or hear say


Again I rest my case ..Case Closed on Oyster dredging
Next ??

[BIG RED 1983]

Originally Posted by "W"

1st I'm 100% against oyster dredging and still want it fixed..but I have also seen 1st hand that oysterfisherm are not going to lose there jobs no matter how much money you got to push them out.
I said from day one that dredging would kill the lake....there is a bill right now to protect our artificial reefs

if they ban oyster fishing wont people who oyster fish lose their jobs because they cant oyster fish any more.

[ckinchen]

Maybe the lack of oysters is what has caused the apparent decrease in big trout, maybe it is cold winters that we had in 2009 and 2010, maybe it is due to the red tide we had two summers ago, maybe it is due to salinity levels, maybe it is due to the weirs finally having an impact with less bait in the lake, maybe it is due to fishing pressure or maybe it is due to the limit reduction.

Let's assume Math Geeks data is right (because you can't spell data). You have failed to address what others have pointed out to be large flaws in your logic of raising the limit resulting in more big trout.

At the end of the day I am according to you just another office fishermen and I have you so punch drunk you can't see straight. You had better be ready for people that ask for more difficult questions than me when you bring this to Baton Rouge.

I still remain fairly neutral on the limits but I cannot support this crusade led by you, if others want to that is up to them. You have waffled to many times in the past and your background and attitude towards others will kill are too much for me to be involved. I will help on the oyster issue if you flip back over to being opposed to "oyster rapping" as you called it.

Otherwise this has been an entertaining thread.

I have some work to do at the office if you can imagine that, take care.

[BIG RED 1983]

w why dont you go do figure 8s around the boats dredging for oysters if you hate it so much you hate pilgrims and politics and you do it to them maybe it will teach them a lesson not to mess up your reefs

[ckinchen]

Originally Posted by BIG RED 1983

if they ban oyster fishing wont people who oyster fish lose their jobs because they cant oyster fish any more.

Yep but W has already figured that part out, see below which he posted in 2011.



We are not wanting to take any jobs away.,,, your missing the point...we have no beds left and we do not seed...so the ones who don't care and just want a fast in and out buck should have to work for it.... If the want to come tong come tong..but right now you have 250 boats dredging on 6 reefs... I promise if they ban dredging and go to tong only for anyone who wants to oyster... You will have 25-30 boats working... And BTW I crawfished for 8 years and I know how hard that BS is.....

[BIG RED 1983]

Originally Posted by ckinchen

Maybe the lack of oysters is what has caused the apparent decrease in big trout, maybe it is cold winters that we had in 2009 and 2010, maybe it is due to the red tide we had two summers ago, maybe it is due to salinity levels, maybe it is due to the weirs finally having an impact with less bait in the lake, maybe it is due to fishing pressure or maybe it is due to the limit reduction.

Let's assume Math Geeks data is right (because you can't spell data). You have failed to address what others have pointed out to be large flaws in your logic of raising the limit resulting in more big trout.

At the end of the day I am according to you just another office fishermen and I have you so punch drunk you can't see straight. You had better be ready for people that ask for more difficult questions than me when you bring this to Baton Rouge.

I still remain fairly neutral on the limits but I cannot support this crusade led by you, if others want to that is up to them. You have waffled to many times in the past and your background and attitude towards others will kill are too much for me to be involved. I will help on the oyster issue if you flip back over to being opposed to "oyster rapping" as you called it.

Otherwise this has been an entertaining thread.

I have some work to do at the office if you can imagine that, take care.

w thinks data is the little kid from the goonies

[ckinchen]

Originally Posted by BIG RED 1983

w why dont you go do figure 8s around the boats dredging for oysters if you hate it so much you hate pilgrims and politics and you do it to them maybe it will teach them a lesson not to mess up your reefs

He doesn’t hate them anymore. His "family friend" who is an office politician (much like the office fishermen that he pushed the limits up that has him so upset) introduced a bill to approve oyster fishing and told him what he needed to support. Since then Mr. Obama I mean W supports the oyster guys. It is now CCA that he wants to figure 8.

[SaltERedneck]

Originally Posted by BIG RED 1983

w thinks data is the little kid from the goonies

pahahhahahahah X 10000000.....

[adamsfence]

http://etd.lsu.edu/docs/available/et...BeckThesis.pdf

alot of info here but this is a study on several sites including a comparision of the north and south ends of big lake.......maybe someone smarter than me can interpet it. its on the effects of oyster dredging. i personally don't care either way what ever is best for the lake.....probly both

[Lake Chuck Duck]

Originally Posted by BIG RED 1983

w why dont you go do figure 8s around the boats dredging for oysters if you hate it so much you hate pilgrims and politics and you do it to them maybe it will teach them a lesson not to mess up your reefs

Its not oyster dredgers messing up the reefs, its office pilgrims dragging their power poles

["W"]

1st off I didnt ask for anyone support but one guy on here and he is the only one I need...this is not a boycott bandwagon. I can do all the damage I need in News papers, news stations and Magazines
I don't need an army ...

Btw..did you find that oyster dredging fact

[SULPHITE]

Originally Posted by BIG RED 1983
w thinks data is the little kid from the goonies

LMAO !!

[adamsfence]

Originally Posted by "W"

1st off I didnt ask for anyone support but one guy on here and he is the only one I need...this is not a boycott bandwagon. I can do all the damage I need in News papers, news stations and Magazines
I don't need an army ...

Btw..did you find that oyster dredging fact

i just post one

[chasin'tail]

W, it's just the way the world goes. Your fight for limits to be put back to where they should be is one that, can't be won without some very high ups getting on-board. And I'm afraid that they have to much vested to reverse their mistake. We've seen the lake in it's prime and will most likely never experience that ability to catch the quality of fish that was once an everyday occurance. Now you really have to work to catch the 7, 8, 9 lbers. And I'm afraid that the rest of the state will be at the 15 fish limit sooner that later. YES, there is NO biological info to support the current limits. But that doesn't matter.
The matter of oyster fishing on the lake should only be allowed with tongs, it's really hard to move that much reef with them.