Calcasieu Relative Condition Factor Study 2012 Preliminary Results

["W"]

Originally Posted by rustyb

O OH.. Is "W" possibly right?

Never had any doubt about it..... Its easy to tell by size of trout falling off., we will always have the ones who want to make it sound more difficult by saying you have to take more variables to look at

No its simple ,real simple when you cut the number of trout you take out by 40%. When you had zero reason to cut that percentage down.

Its like you having a chicken laying 10 eggs a day and you pick 6...and leave 4 for reproduction ...your chicken stock is working fine but now you only pick 4 eggs a day In stead of 6....
^^^^^ how many more chickens will you have in on year extra ???

Simple 3rd grade math

[Texas Tiger]

Thanks for gathering the data, and the feedback.
It'll be interesting to see how the Calcasieu data compares to other areas

[Spunt Drag]

Originally Posted by Texas Tiger

Thanks for gathering the data, and the feedback.
It'll be interesting to see how the Calcasieu data compares to other areas

X2

[Duck Butter]

Originally Posted by "W"

Never had any doubt about it..... Its easy to tell by size of trout falling off., we will always have the ones who want to make it sound more difficult by saying you have to take more variables to look at

No its simple ,real simple when you cut the number of trout you take out by 40%. When you had zero reason to cut that percentage down.

Its like you having a chicken laying 10 eggs a day and you pick 6...and leave 4 for reproduction ...your chicken stock is working fine but now you only pick 4 eggs a day In stead of 6....
^^^^^ how many more chickens will you have in on year extra ???

Simple 3rd grade math

This is ONE study on ONE day. Lots of factors come into play - male vs female trout is one. The study needs to be done on the same day year after year to get an accurate sample - promise you that MathGeek knows this. If a female trout has spawned of course they weigh less, needs to be male trout only to keep the bias out of there. Repetition is the key to good science, best to keep this study going for a while not one day, but it is great that MathGeek got out there and is doing this, it is at least better than nothing. I really want to meet MG, he seems like a cool fella

["W"]

Originally Posted by Duck Butter

This is ONE study on ONE day. Lots of factors come into play - male vs female trout is one. The study needs to be done on the same day year after year to get an accurate sample - promise you that MathGeek knows this. If a female trout has spawned of course they weigh less, needs to be male trout only to keep the bias out of there. Repetition is the key to good science, best to keep this study going for a while not one day, but it is great that MathGeek got out there and is doing this, it is at least better than nothing. I really want to meet MG, he seems like a cool fella

There is not a lack of bait ....as of last time I was out
..it was glass calm and bait consumed the whole lake....it was full of mullet and shad

The trout MG measured and weight with me were full of eggs and only two were males that I recall

This has been more than one day he worked a week on this ...

[Duck Butter]

Originally Posted by "W"

There is not a lack of bait ....as of last time I was out
..it was glass calm and bait consumed the whole lake....it was full of mullet and shad

The trout MG measured and weight with me were full of eggs and only two were males that I recall

This has been more than one day he worked a week on this ...

Any female trout should probably not be counted to get a good measure. The females reproductive cycle is so variable, they can be 'full' of eggs, half 'full' 3/4 'full' and it throws off the numbers too much. For instance a 24" female full may weigh 6 lbs, lays her eggs and be 5 lbs the very next day, so right now may not be the best time to be 'weighting' a female trout, weights are highly variable at this time

(disclaimer: I have no idea if those numbers/lengths/weights are correct just an example, my boga and tape measure are set to Texas standards)

[bmac]

Originally Posted by "W"

There is not a lack of bait ....as of last time I was out
..it was glass calm and bait consumed the whole lake....it was full of mullet and shad

This seems like another contradiction to me. How can there be plenty of bait if the the trout are overpopulated? Do they somehow know they have too many of them so they each eat less bait to conserve their food supply?

If you can stop contradicting your own arguments I think more people could support you. This is along the lines of "you cannot over fish the lake on rod and reel", but then asking to increase the limit back to 25 because the fish need to be thinned out.

I'm not for or against your cause, I'm just tired of seeing you contradict yourself.

[Duck Butter]

Originally Posted by bmac

This seems like another contradiction to me. How can there be plenty of bait if the the trout are overpopulated? Do they somehow know they have too many of them so they each eat less bait to conserve their food supply?

If you can stop contradicting your own arguments I think more people could support you. This is along the lines of "you cannot over fish the lake on rod and reel", but then asking to increase the limit back to 25 because the fish need to be thinned out.

I'm not for or against your cause, I'm just tired of seeing you contradict yourself.

In a nutshell

1. There isn't enough bait to support the lake because the weirs are closed

2. There is PLENTY of bait in the lake as of last time I was out

3. The fishing is not nearly as good as it once was

4. There are WAY too many fish in the lake and it needs to be thinned

5. Too many people fishing

6. Not enough people fishing to keep the fish thinned

7. Do NOT, I repeat do NOT stop and tell someone that they are being uncorteous when they fly by you or troll up to you, make sure to do a figure 8 and mess up the fishing for both of you and NEVER let the potlicker understand why you did it

8. Bushs fault

Sorry to hijack, keep up the good work MG

["W"]

Originally Posted by bmac

This seems like another contradiction to me. How can there be plenty of bait if the the trout are overpopulated? Do they somehow know they have too many of them so they each eat less bait to conserve their food supply?

If you can stop contradicting your own arguments I think more people could support you. This is along the lines of "you cannot over fish the lake on rod and reel", but then asking to increase the limit back to 25 because the fish need to be thinned out.

I'm not for or against your cause, I'm just tired of seeing you contradict yourself.

I never said lack of Bait was an issue...Over population is an issue.....too many small trout is what drives big trout out of the lake

It’s not a bait issue right now.....but maybe in the winter it is a big bait issue..... It could be bait or food issue before spring or after summer but right now lake is full of bait

My fight is too many trout are driving out the bigger trout.... Big Trout don’t eat shrimp or small fish...they eat big bait

15 Trout limit has solved ZERO....ZERO...ZERO....

I’m 100% Right on this issue ...... and just look at the STAR and CCA SHOOT out weight ins from 2000-2006....2007-2012
Look at every trout event in this time frame...

Jeff Poe did a good story on LSM about Pressure on the lake....As he now believes there is way less Pressure

Poe feels like the perception of increased fishing pressure at Calcasieu Lake has more to do with the decrease of common courtesy than it does with the number of boats on the lake.
In fact, he’s noticed in the last few years that there has been an overall decrease in fishing pressure...

[Duck Butter]

Originally Posted by "W"

I never said lack of Bait was an issue...Over population is an issue.....too many small trout is what drives big trout out of the lake

It’s not a bait issue right now.....but maybe in the winter it is a big bait issue..... It could be bait or food issue before spring or after summer but right now lake is full of bait

My fight is too many trout are driving out the bigger trout.... Big Trout don’t eat shrimp or small fish...they eat big bait

15 Trout limit has solved ZERO....ZERO...ZERO....

I’m 100% Right on this issue ...... and just look at the STAR and CCA SHOOT out weight ins from 2000-2006....2007-2012
Look at every trout event in this time frame...

Jeff Poe did a good story on LSM about Pressure on the lake....As he now believes there is way less Pressure

Poe feels like the perception of increased fishing pressure at Calcasieu Lake has more to do with the decrease of common courtesy than it does with the number of boats on the lake.

In fact, he’s noticed in the last few years that there has been an overall decrease in fishing pressure...

You are reaching for a cause and effect here. Fishermen have such a small effect on trout populations. A real 'cause' during this time frame would be Rita, can't you see that? Again going back to the marsh degradation from Rita, and as Smalls was saying its actually coming back, it takes a few years to see the progression, it will take a few generations of fish to get back to what it once was

Big trout will eat the smaller trout also, so debunk the thought above and if you of all people really think there is LESS pressure on the lake

["W"]

Originally Posted by Duck Butter

You are reaching for a cause and effect here. Fishermen have such a small effect on trout populations. A real 'cause' during this time frame would be Rita, can't you see that? Again going back to the marsh degradation from Rita, and as Smalls was saying its actually coming back, it takes a few years to see the progression, it will take a few generations of fish to get back to what it once was

Big trout will eat the smaller trout also, so debunk the thought above and if you of all people really think there is LESS pressure on the lake

How many trout have you cleaned with another trout inside???

I clean thousands of trout a year and I look in most of them to see what they are eating....I have Never in my life pulled another speckled trout out of a speck

I have pulled
Shrimp
Mullet
Shad
Sand trout
Croaker
Pogy
Crabs
Hooks
Baits
Snakes
Snails
Never once a speckle trout but I would love to hear how many of you have



Also I find it funny you laugh at J Poe??? He is on the water close to 300 days year and if he says there is less pressure " there is less pressure bottom line "
You sure don't have any time to prove him wrong or laugh at what he states as a fact

Which now makes me dis credit all your theories as you have proven you know zero about our situation