Problems at lacassine refuge??

[marshrunner757]

I scouted the week before and hunted 11/14. The spot I used to hunt is over run with hunters. With everything closing up, hunters have fewer places. Not real excited about the season ahead. Sabine has more area but is also way over crowded. Personally, I think if they are under funded to maintain the refuges and keep the areas huntable, maybe it's time to move to a lottery type system with designated hunt areas. Many places up north do it. This allows them to maintain specifies areas and also ends the problem of crowded hunt areas. Big money has taken over all the farm land/leases. No money has devastated the public hunt areas. It may be time to find a happy medium.

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[Spunt Drag]

Originally Posted by marshrunner757

I scouted the week before and hunted 11/14. The spot I used to hunt is over run with hunters. With everything closing up, hunters have fewer places. Not real excited about the season ahead. Sabine has more area but is also way over crowded. Personally, I think if they are under funded to maintain the refuges and keep the areas huntable, maybe it's time to move to a lottery type system with designated hunt areas. Many places up north do it. This allows them to maintain specifies areas and also ends the problem of crowded hunt areas. Big money has taken over all the farm land/leases. No money has devastated the public hunt areas. It may be time to find a happy medium.

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True, but lets not forget that the hunting area of Sabine only makes up about a 1/3 of the total refuge. Cameron Prairie and Rockefeller don't allow any waterfowl hunting at all (except for CP youth hunt). These are good areas that could provide good waterfowl opportunities and ease the overcrowding, but it'll never happen. I don't wanna see a lottery but it may be the only way.

[CajunSteelsetter]

Originally Posted by Spunt Drag

True, but lets not forget that the hunting area of Sabine only makes up about a 1/3 of the total refuge. Cameron Prairie and Rockefeller don't allow any waterfowl hunting at all (except for CP youth hunt). These are good areas that could provide good waterfowl opportunities and ease the overcrowding, but it'll never happen. I don't wanna see a lottery but it may be the only way.

Cameron Prairie has the youth lottery hunts, and it's possible that some other lottery hunts could be opened up in the future, but Rockefeller will never be. It can't because of the stipulations that were in the lease agreement when the Rockefeller family leased it over to the State.
Like has been said before, burning Lacassine is a whole different animal compared to Sabine. Different marsh structure and lots more technical problems in just getting equipment and manpower out there, which translates into money of course.

[Top Dawg]

Originally Posted by marshrunner757

I scouted the week before and hunted 11/14. The spot I used to hunt is over run with hunters. With everything closing up, hunters have fewer places. Not real excited about the season ahead. Sabine has more area but is also way over crowded. Personally, I think if they are under funded to maintain the refuges and keep the areas huntable, maybe it's time to move to a lottery type system with designated hunt areas. Many places up north do it. This allows them to maintain specifies areas and also ends the problem of crowded hunt areas. Big money has taken over all the farm land/leases. No money has devastated the public hunt areas. It may be time to find a happy medium.

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Be careful what you wish for. A lottery system may mean a lot of us public hunters may be doing a lot of fishin during hunting season. Would you be willing to give up your whole hunting season?

[Duck Butter]

Originally Posted by marshrunner757

I scouted the week before and hunted 11/14. The spot I used to hunt is over run with hunters. With everything closing up, hunters have fewer places. Not real excited about the season ahead. Sabine has more area but is also way over crowded. Personally, I think if they are under funded to maintain the refuges and keep the areas huntable, maybe it's time to move to a lottery type system with designated hunt areas. Many places up north do it. This allows them to maintain specifies areas and also ends the problem of crowded hunt areas. Big money has taken over all the farm land/leases. No money has devastated the public hunt areas. It may be time to find a happy medium.

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Nooooooooo! You don't want that, you don't want that. You show up at 4 am, don't get picked then what? The 'L' word is a bad word

[Top Dawg]

Originally Posted by Duck Butter

Nooooooooo! You don't want that, you don't want that. You show up at 4 am, don't get picked then what? The 'L' word is a bad word

Yes! Lol don't even say that word again

[Feesherman]

#1: Lacassine's money is spent in the impoundment. That is the area managed for the ducks. The area set up for hunting is natural marsh and was never intended to be manipulated for duck hunting/hunters. It is what is.

#2: Delta and DU will not touch, nor be allowed to touch federal lands!

#3: A lottery is the last thing you want to see happen to us! Thanfully, there is no funds to be able to set up and run a lottery system.

Sadly there is also no money for sabine either. Enjoy it while you can or take up golf. That is our only options.

[Duck Butter]

Originally Posted by Feesherman

#1: Lacassine's money is spent in the impoundment. That is the area managed for the ducks. The area set up for hunting is natural marsh and was never intended to be manipulated for duck hunting/hunters. It is what is.

#2: Delta and DU will not touch, nor be allowed to touch federal lands!

#3: A lottery is the last thing you want to see happen to us! Thanfully, there is no funds to be able to set up and run a lottery system.

Sadly there is also no money for sabine either. Enjoy it while you can or take up golf. That is our only options.

This^^, the SW LA refuge complexes are there primarily for wintering waterfowl everything else (the hunting, fishing, etc.) is just a bonus. Here is Lacassine's goals
http://www.fws.gov/refuges/profiles/index.cfm?id=43610

Each NWR has a specific management plan. For instance Tensas NWRs primary focus is for black bears, songbirds, and secondary would be wintering waterfowl. When they work their budgets every year, they have to make sure their management activities will benefit these above species. There are huge deer killed in Tensas NWR every year, but deer management is not one of their goals, however their management for songbirds and bears really helps out the deer but its hard to tell a deer hunter that

When wintering waterfowl is the objective, hunting is allowed but it is specified that so much of the percentage of the acreage must be set aside as a true refuge (no hunting). This is why on D'arbonne, Tensas, etc have areas closed to waterfowl hunting, it jus tis what it is and you would not be able to hunt period if the refuge was not there.

Check out all the public land we have and then look at other states

[Duck Butter]

go play golf, then stop by the store and pick up some filet mignon and you will still come out cheaper than what you spend on hunting!

[Spunt Drag]

What would be interesting and a real possibility is if we have a 30 and 3 season next year.