Am I wrong for this

[swt70611]

Originally Posted by specktator

Pretty simple. If it has less than 8 points, don't shoot it.

Thats the problem. Thats not good herd management. A 3 point deer any age should be killed so he doesn't reproduce. a 1.5 to 4.5 year old 8 point should never be killed so he can reproduce.

[bjhooper82]

Originally Posted by swt70611

Thats the problem. Thats not good herd management. A 3 point deer any age should be killed so he doesn't reproduce. a 1.5 to 4.5 year old 8 point should never be killed so he can reproduce.

I agree

[swt70611]

Me and my son watched a 8 point last weekend that was a young very nice 8. 1.5-2.5 yo. If I had let my son shot him I'd have gotten a hear full from the ranch owner. If I had seen a 5 point the same age and had let him walk I'd have gotten the same ear full.

That said if the FIL broke the rule then i'd have be pissed and made him pay the fine.

[specktator]

Originally Posted by swt70611

Thats the problem. Thats not good herd management. A 3 point deer any age should be killed so he doesn't reproduce. a 1.5 to 4.5 year old 8 point should never be killed so he can reproduce.

Lots of clubs have this rule. I agree with you but it's better than no rules or "4 point or better" or something like that. In LA, your chances of seeing an 8 point are a whole lot less than your chances of seeing say a 4 or 6 point. Texas is totally different management tactics. Cant compare TX and LA deer hunting. You see an 8 point every hunt in TX. Club I grew up hunting in was 8 point or better with a 16" minimum inside spread. I saw people get fined for shooting 15" inside spreads. Where I hunt now it is just a few of us. Rules are simple. If you shoot a buck you have to shoulder mount it.

In Texas they don't want 8 points. They want you to kill every 8 point you see. They consider them management bucks. They say that they never get bigger than an 8 point. I used to hunt in Laredo. Texans consider just about everything besides 10+ points a "cull" buck. I don't really agree with this logic I wouldn't shoot young 8s. I'm not going to shoot a buck unless I'm mounting it.

[Feesherman]

Originally Posted by swt70611

A 3 point deer any age should be killed so he doesn't reproduce.

That's not good herd management. Shouldn't kill any 1.5 year olds if you are trying to manage a herd for quality bucks. It's been proven that 1.5 year old spikes can and will be 8 or 10 point deer at 2.5. Point restrictions isn't good herd management but since no one knows how to age deer on the hoof it's the next best thing. Besides, doe genetics have as much to do with good bucks as the buck's genes do, so in the end, it's really a crap shoot.

[swt70611]

Originally Posted by specktator

Lots of clubs have this rule. I agree with you but it's better than no rules or "4 point or better" or something like that. In LA, your chances of seeing an 8 point are a whole lot less than your chances of seeing say a 4 or 6 point. Texas is totally different management tactics. Cant compare TX and LA deer hunting. Club I grew up hunting in was 8 point or better with a 16" minimum inside spread. I saw people get fined for shooting 15" inside spreads. Where I hunt now it is just a few of us. Rules are simple. If you shoot a buck you have to shoulder mount it.

I understand the TX/LA differance. I grew up hunting in a club with some crazy rules. I never could get it thru their hard heads that age is more important than points. I'm no expert but logic tells you when you have a bunch of goofy a** scrub bucks running around they make more scrub bucks. Those scrubs keep the studs away when the stud has to fight 10 of them for the does. Most of the stuff I've read and heard is a deer at 4.5yo is what he is for life.

[Duck Butter]

I hunted last week in N La at a friends place. They have 28 doe tags and have filled 2 and will probably fill 5 all year I went just to hang out and to shoot a doe. First afternoon hunted a bottom and 2 does get 50 yards away, small 8 pt comes in and runs them for a minute. Friend texted me and I told him what was going on and he texts me back to not shoot a doe because they are rutting. The 2 does come back and eat acrons for 5 minutes 50 yards away.

Next morning, a nice 7 pt walks down the trail I am hunting, let him walk

That afternoon I am sitting on a pipeline and see a 6, a spike, and 3 does. The rules state that NO does are to be shot from the pipeline Some of the rules are ridiculous and take the fun out of hunting. I would not have shot any of those bucks because some kid would love to shoot one but I had shots at 5 does and came home empty handed.

Trophy deer management is for the birds in louisiana unless you have a controlled herd (high fence). This deer hunting is getting a little silly when an 8 yr old is telling me about 'double-lunging' a 3.5 yr old 8 pt that scored --- inches


and to the original poster, he was wrong

[Duck Butter]

In Louisiana most 'big bucks' that get killed are 4.5 years old, they are not even in their prime yet. A 6.5 yr old buck in Louisiana is a rarity

Just go out and shoot some deer and if they are big put em on the wall if not just eat em that is the whole point of deer on this earth

[swt70611]

Originally Posted by Feesherman

That's not good herd management. Shouldn't kill any 1.5 year olds if you are trying to manage a herd for quality bucks. It's been proven that 1.5 year old spikes can and will be 8 or 10 point deer at 2.5. Point restrictions isn't good herd management but since no one knows how to age deer on the hoof it's the next best thing. Besides, doe genetics have as much to do with good bucks as the buck's genes do, so in the end, it's really a crap shoot.

haven't seen that data.

Tex Dept of wildlife used data from aTm, Kerr wildlife and LSU ag and says otherwise.

http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/publicat...w7000_0247.pdf

[Feesherman]

Originally Posted by swt70611

haven't seen that data.

Tex Dept of wildlife used data from aTm, Kerr wildlife and LSU ag and says otherwise.

http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/publicat...w7000_0247.pdf

I knew that would come up. I have read where this study alone has done more damage than anything. It has since been debunked but has trained many to stick to it and shoot all spikes. Do some digging around and check it out.

[swamp snorkler]

Originally Posted by Duck Butter

In Louisiana most 'big bucks' that get killed are 4.5 years old, they are not even in their prime yet. A 6.5 yr old buck in Louisiana is a rarity

Just go out and shoot some deer and if they are big put em on the wall if not just eat em that is the whole point of deer on this earth

That's my thinking.

My Boss told me he hunted Friday-Monday 2 hunts each day..... seen 27 deer mostly does and didn't pull the trigger because he wants a big buck....... he also told me he doesn't eat deer so it doesn't matter if he see something or not. I say put some meet in the freezer, however, I love deer meat.

[latravcha]

We have seen the quality of the deer on our club improve dramatically over the last 5 years. 5 years ago I may have shot the deer that my FIN shot, but I know what not shooting the younger deer can do to the bucks on a larger club. The six point he shot weight 98lbs and was a 1 1/2 year old deer. It had an decent rack for a deer that young and could have been a really good deer in a few years. He hunts the swamp on a club that runs dogs. The name of the club should be IF ITS BROWN ITS DOWN b/c they shoot anything the dogs run. I can hear them in back of my house when they run dogs boom boom boom all the hunters shooting as the deer runs past. He was told several times that he could shoot a doe or an 8 point or better. The worst part of the deal is he was excited about a baby deer when I drove up to pick him up when I had passed on a 2 ½ year old 6 that morning and a 3 ½ year old 8 the night before.
I don’t care for the 6 point rule and wish the club could go to a rule about shooting bucks that are 4 1/2 yrs. or older but most people have no Idea what a 4 1/2 deer looks like. I have a BS in Biology/wildlife management and can tell the difference but most cant.

[Duck Butter]

Originally Posted by swamp snorkler

That's my thinking.

My Boss told me he hunted Friday-Monday 2 hunts each day..... seen 27 deer mostly does and didn't pull the trigger because he wants a big buck....... he also told me he doesn't eat deer so it doesn't matter if he see something or not. I say put some meet in the freezer, however, I love deer meat.

Yep, I have tried and tried to tell people that seeing a bunch of deer is not a good thing if you are trying to manage for big bucks.

[Duck Butter]

Originally Posted by latravcha

We have seen the quality of the deer on our club improve dramatically over the last 5 years. 5 years ago I may have shot the deer that my FIN shot, but I know what not shooting the younger deer can do to the bucks on a larger club. The six point he shot weight 98lbs and was a 1 1/2 year old deer. It had an decent rack for a deer that young and could have been a really good deer in a few years. He hunts the swamp on a club that runs dogs. The name of the club should be IF ITS BROWN ITS DOWN b/c they shoot anything the dogs run. I can hear them in back of my house when they run dogs boom boom boom all the hunters shooting as the deer runs past. He was told several times that he could shoot a doe or an 8 point or better. The worst part of the deal is he was excited about a baby deer when I drove up to pick him up when I had passed on a 2 ½ year old 6 that morning and a 3 ½ year old 8 the night before.
I don’t care for the 6 point rule and wish the club could go to a rule about shooting bucks that are 4 1/2 yrs. or older but most people have no Idea what a 4 1/2 deer looks like. I have a BS in Biology/wildlife management and can tell the difference but most cant.

Yep, most people have never seen a 4 1/2 year old buck in the daylight, especially standing still

[latravcha]

Want to scare yourself about the people you hunt with ability to age deer sent them this.

http://www.whitetaildomains.com/Shoo...ootOrWait.aspx

[bjhooper82]

Most people don't realize how important it is to shoot does and keep a good doe to buck ratio either.

[Duck Butter]

Originally Posted by latravcha

Want to scare yourself about the people you hunt with ability to age deer sent them this.

http://www.whitetaildomains.com/Shoo...ootOrWait.aspx

thats pretty good stuff on there thanks

[jpeff31787]

I don't hunt at all, but I do understand the respect that sportsmen are supposed to have between themselves. I know for a fact that you are not wrong for telling him anything, and I would never invite him on such a hunt ever again. He needs to pay up and the wife needs to hush up. He can have no valid arguement for shooting a three point, especially if you specifically told him doe/8 points or more..... I know I'd be a pissed of SOB

[swt70611]

Originally Posted by Feesherman

I knew that would come up. I have read where this study alone has done more damage than anything. It has since been debunked but has trained many to stick to it and shoot all spikes. Do some digging around and check it out.

Maybe it's wrong data but it seems to be working on our ranch. We have to age 10s before shooting. Not a lot of scrubs in the herd. When we see them we kill them. Very few does are killed because the ratio is maybe 2:1. The spikes argument is useless in Louisiana anyway cause some dumb *** we shoot the young 8 but let the spikes walk. Common sense doesn't come into play

[RAKEDLAKE]

I agree with you . Rules are rules, but it looks like you won't need any Viagra for a while till the heat wears off.