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Lets say my driveway, house, barn, and a riding arena equal 2 acres. This 2 acres i would be putting as dozer on and removing stumps etc... destroying wetlands. Now lets say the other 8 acres. I clear underbrush and small trees with rubber tire tractors, cut some trees down with chainsaw and grind stumps. I have been told this is not destroying wetlands. no tracked equipment, no blades, no digging. what do you guys know about this? |
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No different than selling/trading "Carbon Crediks" just another name for the same scam. One day someone yelled the sky is falling, figured out a way to make money off it, found a person in gooberment to write a law, gave said person a campaign contribution, person who got $$ convinced his croneys they could get some contributions also, they voted to enact the law because their cronies had plenty of land to sell smoke off of and walla.... Mitigation $$$$$$!
Was that close to reality?? |
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Sounds pretty close....
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I know it sucks having to pay ridiculous prices for things that your not going to ever be able to use, look at it like this. When paying for the credits your paying for land that is going to be preserved or even restored to provide ecological processes. The wetlands that are placed into the bank have restrictions. This is essentially what other agencies or NGOs do for wetlands.
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I can see where you are coming from though, and would probably have had the same reaction if I wanted to build and was unaware of the process. Its far from perfect (because the gov't is in charge of it) but it is at least something to keep some natural areas around. On the cap and trade thing, there are actually companies that are buying these carbon 'crediks' to show that they are a 'green' company by showing that their carbon emissions are at a net zero by planting trees to offset their carbon emissions. More power to them if thats what they want to do. |
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i agree with the concept of preserving and restoring wetlands, and people like me paying their dues. For destroying wetlands in the process of building a home.
But i think this statement made earlier in the thread is where i fall.. The biggest rip-off is that based upon the federal definition of wetlands, just about all tracts south of Alex, could be considered wetlands. when the property has no marsh grass, no water, really nothing that resembles wetlands and you still have to pay, just sounds like more government getting into our pockets. |
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You can destroy an existing wetland area (LAbERGE) if you pay $$$ to someone who has an existing wetland enrolled in the program. How or who is going to develop the millions of acres on the coast owned by Miami Corp, Vermilion Corp, ect. it's never gonna happen but they can sell it in mitigation for someone to build a hotel on a marsh area if the pony up the chedda. How does this promote/protect the wetlands drained for non-beneficial use? I believe you are missing my point on this. Gooberment intervention into my private property (imement domain) (wetlands mitigation) (carbon crediks) has the effect of driving up the cost of doing business, which is passed along to the populace who pays taxes. I am for sound use of our resources, conservation but not at the expense all the loony laws enacted by the EPA, ect. |
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You look at the soils, the vegetation, and the hydrology of that area to make a determination. The problem is that most of our hydrology has been altered so an area that used to be wet year round is now dry. The soils however are still considered 'hydric' meaning they would hold water. Did you find out any info about prices? Very curious if you don't mind sharing that info |
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I understand, about the other stuff.... the land has that dark moist soil that looks great for gardens... with decomposed foilage on it... and plenty of really nice live oaks on it... perfect place to build a home...LOL and its typically going to be wetlands even though it hasn't seen water in 20 years that i know of... |
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You can destroy an existing wetland area (LAbERGE) if you pay $$$ to someone who has an existing wetland enrolled in the program. How or who is going to develop the millions of acres on the coast owned by Miami Corp, Vermilion Corp, ect. it's never gonna happen but they can sell it in mitigation for someone to build a hotel on a marsh area if the pony up the chedda. How does this promote/protect the wetlands drained for non-beneficial use?
Are you saying that if Miami, Vermilion, etc. sell their land into some kind of mitigation bank, that they still own the land and can lease it out for duck hunting, etc., but they receive money because they promise never to develop it and that they will keep it as wetlands? |
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The guidelines for each habitat are different and I am not familiar with marsh banks, but for instance on longleaf pine banks you have to control invasive plants (chinese tallowtree is prominent in many of them), offsite trees (in SW La, slash pines will blow in from the neighboring slash pine plantations and have to be taken out. They are native to SE La), certain hardwoods, and then maintain the understory vegetation. Longleaf piney woods have a very diverse understory and that is one of the main components in this type of bank. There is a rating system for the grasses, wildflowers, etc and you have to keep up the 'score' and maintain the diversity. Prescribed fire is also a requirement in the longleaf system, and it depends on where you are at as to how often you are required to burn. |
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Louisiana has X amount of wetlands. If wetlands were completely off limits for any manipulation or development, economic growth would be shut down. 'They' realize our wetlands are extremely important but also economic growth and development is extremely important as well to our economy. There has to be a balance and mitigation is the best answer for it at this time
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