Answering the Libertarian argument for drug legalization

[AceArcher]

Originally Posted by Clampy

Ha ha.

can someone please give me the layman's terms of laying the 8? i have seen it mentioned here a few times but i'm not getting the reference.

[AceArcher]

Originally Posted by Clampy

They couldnt do that. Everyone knows. After 1 hit they would chase down a shrimp boat and try and score some meth.

LOL.... you ain't right.

[Clampy]

This thread won't die until 420 comments.

[AceArcher]

We certainly have some valid case studies on how a continued march to the tunes of Criminalization and Enforcement works.

Simply look to the example's of Nazi Germany, and Stalinist Russian. Dissent, Drug use, Being of questionable ethnicity, Homosexuality...... etc all led to a rather final form of criminalization and it was enforced by brainwashed thugs in jackboots (some in black uniforms and some in brown one's) It's well documented that the death camps were originally envisioned by the nazi party as a whole and Hitler in particular as holding zones for undesirables. Who could then be used as forced labour.

If you destroy someone's life by criminalizing to a outrageous extent some small unimportant thing they are doing which really only effects them. Then they end up in the repeating jail cycle. and effectively end up with a sentence of life in jail. How is that really any different than gassing them and sending them to the oven. Either way you have taken away all personal liberties from them. Only realistic differences are in there method you die sooner rather than later, in our method we place the financial burden up our citizens to feed and house them.

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["W"]

Alcohol legal after 21 years of age

Weed illegal by federal laws !!

Again there is zero to compare



If you want to find legal things as dangerous as Alcohol go ahead

Paints, gas, diesel, asbestos, etc



But if you want to post illegal things bad as weed
Meth, cocaine, etc

[mriguy]

Originally Posted by "W"

Alcohol legal after 21 years of age

Weed illegal by federal laws !!

Again there is zero to compare



If you want to find legal things as dangerous as Alcohol go ahead

Paints, gas, diesel, asbestos, etc



But if you want to post illegal things bad as weed
Meth, cocaine, etc

So what you are saying Dubya, is if the federal laws change and marijuana is made legal you would have no problem with it?

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Originally Posted by mriguy

So what you are saying Dubya, is if the federal laws change and marijuana is made legal you would have no problem with it?

If Federal law makes it legal and puts a age on it...not much we can say

Will Federal ever make it legal, I don't see it in the near future. So until then its an illegal drug that calls for jail time ! So you can not compare weed vs alcohol

[AceArcher]

Originally Posted by "W"

If Federal law makes it legal and puts a age on it...not much we can say

Will Federal ever make it legal, I don't see it in the near future. So until then its an illegal drug that calls for jail time ! So you can not compare weed vs alcohol

I can't even say anything... just shaking my head... wow.

[Goooh]

Originally Posted by "W"

If Federal law makes it legal and puts a age on it...not much we can say

Will Federal ever make it legal, I don't see it in the near future. So until then its an illegal drug that calls for jail time ! So you can not compare weed vs alcohol

50% of the US population are in favor of legalizing marijuana, up from 12% ~50 years ago, the current standings of the vote on this thread support that. A federal legalization may be closer than you think.

You can disagree with the legalization, and you can disagree with the viewpoints set forth. Disagreeing with the data is a lot more difficult.

Keep in mind that the majority vote on this thread is for the legalization of marijuana along with federal penalties to be imposed on supplying to minors.

Quite a few statements here have thrown libertarians into the realm of Anarchists, this is a misconception an somewhat of an insult to Libertarians. We are all for mandates where they make "scents", but actively stand in opposition to government intrusion that has no logical reasoning and is implemented solely on the basis of morality and feel good legislation.

The fears set being propagated in a lot of these arguments are as fundamentally sound as the fears put forth in the gun control argument. Gun control activists have never held a gun, or been around a gun, yet they induce fear into those with a similar lack of real life experience in the same exact manner that those who have never felt or experienced the effects of pot...

The continuation of criminalizing a substance that is proven to be less threatening than alcohol is purely based on ignorance. The fact that other countries have decriminalized the substance and have seen only positive results in the form of reduced disease, dependency and crime, as well as the increase in revenue and safety is a testament to how effective the fear mongers and moral "superiors" have been in their attack on a substance they actually have no knowledge of - their so called knowledge is not based on experience, it's based on biased information that they don't care to counter study.

Where is the wisdom we've lost in knowledge? Where is the knowledge we've lost in information?

[Clampy]

Originally Posted by Goooh

50% of the US population are in favor of legalizing marijuana, up from 12% ~50 years ago, the current standings of the vote on this thread support that. A federal legalization may be closer than you think.

You can disagree with the legalization, and you can disagree with the viewpoints set forth. Disagreeing with the data is a lot more difficult.

Keep in mind that the majority vote on this thread is for the legalization of marijuana along with federal penalties to be imposed on supplying to minors.

Quite a few statements here have thrown libertarians into the realm of Anarchists, this is a misconception an somewhat of an insult to Libertarians. We are all for mandates where they make "scents", but actively stand in opposition to government intrusion that has no logical reasoning and is implemented solely on the basis of morality and feel good legislation.

The fears set being propagated in a lot of these arguments are as fundamentally sound as the fears put forth in the gun control argument. Gun control activists have never held a gun, or been around a gun, yet they induce fear into those with a similar lack of real life experience in the same exact manner that those who have never felt or experienced the effects of pot...

The continuation of criminalizing a substance that is proven to be less threatening than alcohol is purely based on ignorance. The fact that other countries have decriminalized the substance and have seen only positive results in the form of reduced disease, dependency and crime, as well as the increase in revenue and safety is a testament to how effective the fear mongers and moral "superiors" have been in their attack on a substance they actually have no knowledge of - their so called knowledge is not based on experience, it's based on biased information that they don't care to counter study.

Where is the wisdom we've lost in knowledge? Where is the knowledge we've lost in information?

Nice.

[AceArcher]

Originally Posted by "W"

Alcohol legal after 21 years of age

Weed illegal by federal laws !!

Again there is zero to compare



If you want to find legal things as dangerous as Alcohol go ahead

Paints, gas, diesel, asbestos, etc



But if you want to post illegal things bad as weed
Meth, cocaine, etc

Well gosh darnit W. We have already established that you know this thread is not about whether or not weed is legal / illegal. You already got a gold star because you figured out that weed is illegal. You don't get another for saying the same thing again.

Gotta learn a new trick to get another gold star.... Silly W.

[SaltERedneck]

Visine stocks are about to explode! LMAO.

[Clampy]

What about federal gun laws ? After all big Brother knows best right ?

[MathGeek]

The above graph shows that high school use of marijuana increases when perceived risk is low and decreases when perceived risk is high.

How are most high school students likely to perceive the risk of marijuana use if it is legalized for adults?

Do they ever buy the argument that something is safe for adults, but risky for teenagers?

[AceArcher]

Originally Posted by MathGeek

The above graph shows that high school use of marijuana increases when perceived risk is low and decreases when perceived risk is high.

How are most high school students likely to perceive the risk of marijuana use if it is legalized for adults?

Do they ever buy the argument that something is safe for adults, but risky for teenagers?

I perceive that there is no graph.. However,

It doesn't matter how they perceive it... if they can't gain access to it because we have effectively regulated it.???????????

[Clampy]

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The above graph shows we can clearly do this all day !

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