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Old 04-01-2014, 09:38 AM
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Suppose I go and complain about the trailer inspection, which is a LA requirement that most other states do not see the need for. They'll tell me I'm in the wrong place and that I've wasted my time.

Suppose I complain about the silly rule about not even possessing lead shot while duck hunting. Again, I'm in the wrong place and wasted my time.

Suppose I complain about getting cited for possessing a redfish 5 miles out. They probably won't even be able to determine if I'm in the right place or not.

One of the pernicious features of big gov't is there are so many different bureaucracies whose regulations, permitting, $$$, and paperwork requirements need to be simultaneously satisfied when doing a single thing.

I've had an opportunity to move to 7 different states in my adult life. Complying with each state's income tax requirements (state tax return, estimated taxes, etc.) has actually been much simpler (less paperwork, fewer departments, fewer checks, fewer personal appearances, much less total time etc.) in each case than complying with each state's hunting or fishing requirements.

Are you telling me that it is right and reasonable that hunting or fishing should have more burdensome requirements than paying income taxes?

So....does this mean you are not going to the meeting?

Just keep on ranting on message boards if you are wanting things to change, don't go to the meetings and express your concerns, its much better to just rant on a message board
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Old 04-01-2014, 10:45 AM
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So....does this mean you are not going to the meeting?
Writing letters is more my style, and more effective than personal appearances in most cases.

We shut down the tripletail limit with a letter writing effort. The next step of progress in red snapper is having congress recognize LAs new boundary.

More real progress is likely exerting pressure on the relevant legislators than the wildlife commission. Once a good written case is framed, it can be applied to both legislators and commission members with much less manpower than showing up at meetings.

Big gov't types probably prefer citizens waste their efforts showing up at meetings because it is much less effective at bounding expansions of gov't power.

Oh yeah, the meeting is not tomorrow, it's Thursday. Big gov't types especially like when concerned citizens show up on the wrong day.

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Old 04-01-2014, 11:21 AM
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Writing letters is more my style, and more effective than personal appearances in most cases.

We shut down the tripletail limit with a letter writing effort. The next step of progress in red snapper is having congress recognize LAs new boundary.

More real progress is likely exerting pressure on the relevant legislators than the wildlife commission. Once a good written case is framed, it can be applied to both legislators and commission members with much less manpower than showing up at meetings.

Big gov't types probably prefer citizens waste their efforts showing up at meetings because it is much less effective at bounding expansions of gov't power.

Oh yeah, the meeting is not tomorrow, it's Thursday. Big gov't types especially like when concerned citizens show up on the wrong day.
Negative, there never was a tripletail limit, can't shut down something that never happened.


Those tripletail threads were one of those 'sky is falling' things that everyone gets up in arms about but they never happen. If you look through the tripletail threads you will see a common theme of people sounding alarms and speculating what 'they heard' Almost like one of those chain emails you get and people keep on forwarding them on even though they aren't true.


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Big gov't types probably prefer citizens waste their efforts showing up at meetings because it is much less effective at bounding expansions of gov't power.[/QUOTE]

actually, the 'big gov't types' have been asking for public discussion and have meetings all the time all over the state to discuss things, yet people do NOT show up. People will gripe about it on message boards and when its time to put up or shut up, they don't show. After awhile, they realize the meetings are a waste of time and money if no one is going to show.

Public red snapper meetings have been held all over and when they are mentioned on this site, no one responds. Do a search on red snapper on this site, see how many views to those threads there are, and how many people actually responded (its low, real low)
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Old 04-01-2014, 12:40 PM
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Negative, there never was a tripletail limit, can't shut down something that never happened.


Those tripletail threads were one of those 'sky is falling' things that everyone gets up in arms about but they never happen. If you look through the tripletail threads you will see a common theme of people sounding alarms and speculating what 'they heard' Almost like one of those chain emails you get and people keep on forwarding them on even though they aren't true.
There was an actual proposed tripletail limit under consideration, and scheduled to be discussed at one of the commission meetings. It was not passed, and the letter writing campaign pretty much ended consideration of the proposed regulation, at least for now.

Shooting down government growth before it happens is always much easier than rolling it back once it becomes law. Obamacare is a great example, but the same principle holds with wildlife regulations.
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There was an actual proposed tripletail limit under consideration, and scheduled to be discussed at one of the commission meetings. It was not passed, and the letter writing campaign pretty much ended consideration of the proposed regulation, at least for now.

Shooting down government growth before it happens is always much easier than rolling it back once it becomes law. Obamacare is a great example, but the same principle holds with wildlife regulations.
You got a link that says that any letters ended the 'proposed' regulation?

"proposed regulations" there are proposed regulations every single day that never make it off the floor of the governing body because they are junk, just like this tripletail thing. It was all a bunch of WAY overhyped junk. Reminded me of the overhyped gun grab that was 'proposed' remember that? Not one regulation came out of it, except now I can't go and buy .22 ammo because a bunch of folks got paranoid, thats another topic though

and what in the world does 'proposed limit under consideration' even mean? Nothing
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"proposed regulations" there are proposed regulations every single day that never make it off the floor of the governing body because they are junk, just like this tripletail thing. It was all a bunch of WAY overhyped junk. Reminded me of the overhyped gun grab that was 'proposed' remember that? Not one regulation came out of it, except now I can't go and buy .22 ammo because a bunch of folks got paranoid, thats another topic though

and what in the world does 'proposed limit under consideration' even mean? Nothing
http://www.wlf.louisiana.gov/news/36868

Seems like it was more than an "overhyped" rumor when the governing body with the authority to establish the regulation issues an official "Notice of Intent."
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Seems like it was more than an "overhyped" rumor when the governing body with the authority to establish the regulation issues an official "Notice of Intent."
I asked if you had a link to where letters did anything?

There are steps to get something passed, notice of intent isn't the law, there is a public comment session before anything gets passed (and why its important to actually show up and voice your concern) they also use terms such as declaration of emergency as in below, but there ain't no emergency, just legal jargon:
  1. To Consider Declaration of Emergency to Open Deer Season on Kisatchie National Forest during the Period November 22-28, 2013
  2. To Consider Declaration of Emergency for Additional Buck Season Dates in Deer Area 7
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