what y'all make of this?

[Smalls]

Originally Posted by Duck Butter

It's almost comical isn't it?

No, not at all. I'm the one that did this kind of work, worked in the Marsh for years, continue to work in wetlands, and have conducted research on those wetlands. Yet, I am told repeatedly that I don't know what I'm talking about.

But its ok when other people repeat it.

Makes perfect sense. Yeah, I see no humor in that.

[Duck Butter]

Originally Posted by Smalls

No, not at all. I'm the one that did this kind of work, worked in the Marsh for years, continue to work in wetlands, and have conducted research on those wetlands. Yet, I am told repeatedly that I don't know what I'm talking about.

But its ok when other people repeat it.

Makes perfect sense. Yeah, I see no humor in that.

I know right

U say it and certain folks blow it off, those exact same folks say it down the road and it's taken for the gospel

[MathGeek]

Originally Posted by Duck Butter

I know right

U say it and certain folks blow it off, those exact same folks say it down the road and it's taken for the gospel

Maybe you'd be more credible with this crowd if you talked more about liberty, small gov't, and RKBA and didn't think your sacred cows were "reasonable" exceptions. Handing out good fishing info doesn't hurt either. Maybe some selfies with some big fish, along with the whens, wheres and hows you caught them.

[Smalls]

Originally Posted by MathGeek

Maybe you'd be more credible with this crowd if you talked more about liberty, small gov't, and RKBA and didn't think your sacred cows were "reasonable" exceptions. Handing out good fishing info doesn't hurt either. Maybe some selfies with some big fish, along with the whens, wheres and hows you caught them.

Did you really just say selfie? Lol!

So catching big fish is what makes you credible now? Funny, and I'm just spitballing here, but I thought if one, I don't know, say for example, worked in a particular environment for years, you know, that might give their opinion some weight on that particular subject.

Guess I need to get busy catching big fish then, or else I'll never be respected.

[PaulMyers]

Originally Posted by Smalls

Did you really just say selfie? Lol!

So catching big fish is what makes you credible now? Funny, and I'm just spitballing here, but I thought if one, I don't know, say for example, worked in a particular environment for years, you know, that might give their opinion some weight on that particular subject.

Guess I need to get busy catching big fish then, or else I'll never be respected.

Nah man, you just sided with the duck weed.

[Smalls]

Originally Posted by PaulMyers

Nah man, you just sided with the duck weed.

Oh geez, that again?!?

I didn't side with anything. I stated fact, based on research and experience. It was others (ahem) that spun my argument as such. The weirs were not constructed for that purpose, but the land behind there has been used for that purpose. Lets not even get into the fact that the National Wildlife Refuge system was created with the specific purpose of preserving waterfowl habitat. Yes, half of that land behind the weirs is not NWR, but is there any proof that those landowners control the weirs? No. Just the word of some.

Proof. Where is it?

[MathGeek]

Originally Posted by Smalls

Oh geez, that again?!?

I didn't side with anything. I stated fact, based on research and experience. It was others (ahem) that spun my argument as such. The weirs were not constructed for that purpose, but the land behind there has been used for that purpose. Lets not even get into the fact that the National Wildlife Refuge system was created with the specific purpose of preserving waterfowl habitat. Yes, half of that land behind the weirs is not NWR, but is there any proof that those landowners control the weirs? No. Just the word of some.

Proof. Where is it?

Why not offer info we can use?

Who (exactly) is responsible for weir operation?

How can they be contacted with citizen input?

What salinity levels and water levels inside and outside does the existing plan use to determine opening and closure?

Where can the written plan be found?

Where is the nearest station measuring inside and outside salinity?

Are these numbers recorded regularly?

Where can they be obtained?

[MathGeek]

Originally Posted by Smalls

Did you really just say selfie? Lol!

So catching big fish is what makes you credible now? Funny, and I'm just spitballing here, but I thought if one, I don't know, say for example, worked in a particular environment for years, you know, that might give their opinion some weight on that particular subject.

Guess I need to get busy catching big fish then, or else I'll never be respected.

You gotta know your crowd. Sheepskins on the wall count in the office and on the resume, but no so much in the bar or at the cleaning station.

Think of SC as a cross between a bar and the cleaning station. You gotta speak the language. You gotta agree everywhere you can and pick your spots to gently educate your peers. And you gotta argue from facts not from authority.

The guides who post know that a lot of credibility on fishing forums comes from box shots and shots from happy customers. They could post average numbers of trout and redfish caught each trip, but they know its pictures, not statistics that make them credible. I'm not saying that's how it should work, but that's how it does work. Would some educational certification in guiding trump box shots and happy customers? Should it?

[Smalls]

Originally Posted by MathGeek

You gotta know your crowd. Sheepskins on the wall count in the office and on the resume, but no so much in the bar or at the cleaning station.

Think of SC as a cross between a bar and the cleaning station. You gotta speak the language. You gotta agree everywhere you can and pick your spots to gently educate your peers. And you gotta argue from facts not from authority.

The guides who post know that a lot of credibility on fishing forums comes from box shots and shots from happy customers. They could post average numbers of trout and redfish caught each trip, but they know its pictures, not statistics that make them credible. I'm not saying that's how it should work, but that's how it does work. Would some educational certification in guiding trump box shots and happy customers? Should it?

Preaching to the choir dude! When have I ever argued from authority over facts?

What happens if you have an "educational certification" and the "box shots"?