WEIRS

[MathGeek]

Originally Posted by Clampy

Someone could film it.

Great point. Having seem lots of videoed presentations, the best ones focus on the slides. The verbal part of the presentation is caught on audio, and and the slides on the video. Video of the presenter at the podium is much less useful than the info on the slides.

[Reggoh]

Originally Posted by Jadams

U goin to meeting thursday?

Is the meeting Wednesday or Thursday? I had it on my calendar as the 9th?

[PaulMyers]

The meeting is the 9th at 6pm.

[Smalls]

I'll be there taking notes MG. May not be able to stay the whole time, but I plan on being there for the discussion of the weirs.

[MathGeek]

Originally Posted by Smalls

I'll be there taking notes MG. May not be able to stay the whole time, but I plan on being there for the discussion of the weirs.

Awesome. I really hope they do a good job making a case for the scientific necessity of the weirs based on data and consequences rather than "scientists say so" or "agencies say so."

At the same time, I hope they are amenable to moving toward more data driven management based on salinity and water levels in front and behind.

[Smalls]

Originally Posted by MathGeek

Awesome. I really hope they do a good job making a case for the scientific necessity of the weirs based on data and consequences rather than "scientists say so" or "agencies say so."

At the same time, I hope they are amenable to moving toward more data driven management based on salinity and water levels in front and behind.

I posted this (http://www.fws.gov/gisdownloads/R4/L...2020131126.pdf) a few weeks ago.

Not sure if anyone read it, but what pops out to me is that in 2009 they moved forward with Phase II of the CCMMP. Part of Phase II is managing for fisheries. This involves the slotted gates at Lambert and Peconi being opened for 1 to 5 days during each new and full moon event. Has anyone noticed this being done?

Also, the boat bay is supposed to remain open, except when salinities exceed the 5 ppt limit at isohaline line No. 2.

The management now is supposed to be driven by the isohaline lines. The problem is, most of those CRMS stations back there are not realtime. Some, but not all. This one is: http://waterdata.usgs.gov/la/nwis/uv...95231093100100.

That is between the 12 ppt Isohaline line and the 5 ppt isohaline line. The salinity right now is above 12 ppt, so this is one reason the weirs are probably closed.

Right now, according to the Phase 2 portion of the CCMMP, only the boat bay at Grand Bayou, the 6-inch slots on each weir, and a flapgate on the Grand Bayou Structure can be opened for fisheries purposes. They have adapted that in the document I posted above to say that the weirs will be opened unless the salinity rises above 5 ppt east of the 5 ppt isohaline line.

Well boys, without any realtime data available, its hard to say if it is, but I would be those salinities are above 5 ppt.

[capt coonassty]

Where in the CS-54 report is the part about Phase II?

[Smalls]

Uh, I'd have to pull it up again to find the exact page, but I believe it was under the hydrology section.

Now not all of that information I posted was in that report. Most of it came out of the resource management plan itself. If I can post a PDF (don't know if I've ever figured out if you can or not), I will post that. Its a 3 page document that outlines the management objectives and the objectives of each phase.

[Smalls]

Here it is. Couldn't do it from my phone. The isohaline lines are a bit difficult to see in the scan, but the 12 ppt line is closer to the lake, while the 5 ppt line is closer to Highway 27.

[MathGeek]

Originally Posted by Smalls

Here it is. Couldn't do it from my phone. The isohaline lines are a bit difficult to see in the scan, but the 12 ppt line is closer to the lake, while the 5 ppt line is closer to Highway 27.

Great stuff. Thanks for providing such concrete info with such a sound paper trail. I guess an important question for the meeting is whether the plan is being followed.

[Smalls]

Originally Posted by MathGeek

Great stuff. Thanks for providing such concrete info with such a sound paper trail. I guess an important question for the meeting is whether the plan is being followed.

Definitely will be asked.

BTW, that is also in that report I'm sending you.

["W"]

They opening weirs today and meeting tomorrow

Lmao what a joke that system is !! And the people who run it


So tomorrow they can say " he we opened them yesterday "

[Smalls]

Originally Posted by "W"

They opening weirs today and meeting tomorrow

Lmao what a joke that system is !! And the people who run it


So tomorrow they can say " he we opened them yesterday "

Lmao! Yeah, that's not pressure driven at all. That's pretty sad. Now this meeting is going to be really fun.

Serious question, W: if they could back up the closings with scientific data, defensible data, would you have an issue with the operations?

[SGib]

So really since limits are so easy now do we love or hate big lake? Is it still going down the drain?

["W"]

Originally Posted by Smalls

Lmao! Yeah, that's not pressure driven at all. That's pretty sad. Now this meeting is going to be really fun.

Serious question, W: if they could back up the closings with scientific data, defensible data, would you have an issue with the operations?

If they can show proof that keeping them open vs closed is efficient I'm all years

But I don't want to hear it from the guy who duck hunts back there

[Goooh]

Not enough BroScience in this thread. Can we get more memes and gifs please?

[Smalls]

Originally Posted by "W"

If they can show proof that keeping them open vs closed is efficient I'm all years

But I don't want to hear it from the guy who duck hunts back there

I getcha, I'm with ya. Bias and management are not good bedmates.

From what I've seen, he's not even going to be there. I don't think his name is on the program anyway.

[Smalls]

Now, I don't know Chuck, and I don't know if he is some how pulling strings, but being that he's the Public Information Director, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt, unless it is revealed that he does have some pull in the management of the weirs.

The ONLY reason his name is on that recording is because its his job to take flack from the public. He's a PR guy. They aren't going to put the name of a biologist on that recording.

[Jadams]

They need to take salinity readins 2 miles down grand not 10ft away from weir and they would be open a lot more


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[T-TOP]

These 2 names were on the email I recieved today.


Pat Landry, Coastal Protection and Restoration Authority
Britt Paul, Chairman of the Cameron Creole Advisory Committee
Operation of the Weirs at the Cameron Creole Refuge