Thoughts on CCA meeting tonight on state of Calcasieu fishery

["W"]

Originally Posted by T-TOP

what was jeff poe's queston? I don't remember....

When the lake salinity drops in the northern part like by Conni , let's open that weir and let the low salinity water flow into the marsh that way your keep your marsh lower and allowing flow

guy said Manangement Plan don't allow that



That Managanent plan is out data and I'm sure it could use an overhaul with new solutions

It's what 39years old? That's before I was born and lots of things have changed and it needs to be updated and evaluated better

Weirs should never be closed longer than a 2 weeks

Every Full Moon and New Moon they should be open for 72 hrs

[T-TOP]

Originally Posted by "W"

When the lake salinity drops in the northern part like by Conni , let's open that weir and let the low salinity water flow into the marsh that way your keep your marsh lower and allowing flow

guy said Manangement Plan don't allow that



That Managanent plan is out data and I'm sure it could use an overhaul with new solutions

It's what 39years old? That's before I was born and lots of things have changed and it needs to be updated and evaluated better

Weirs should never be closed longer than a 2 weeks

Every Full Moon and New Moon they should be open for 72 hrs

I remeber that, not trying to be rebute what you are saying, but they stated before that question was asked the the weirs are opened according to the salinities and different weirs are open at different times. Just as he was talking about, I wondered why he asked that question.
They also said that unless there are adverse conditions in the lake the weirs will be opend as you state above, which seems unerstandable.
not trying to argue with you but i thought i heard the answers to those questions...

[Smalls]

Originally Posted by "W"

When the lake salinity drops in the northern part like by Conni , let's open that weir and let the low salinity water flow into the marsh that way your keep your marsh lower and allowing flow

guy said Manangement Plan don't allow that



That Managanent plan is out data and I'm sure it could use an overhaul with new solutions

It's what 39years old? That's before I was born and lots of things have changed and it needs to be updated and evaluated better

Weirs should never be closed longer than a 2 weeks

Every Full Moon and New Moon they should be open for 72 hrs

I don't recall him saying the management plan doesn't allow it. I recall them continually referencing that it isn't just about salinity. There are multiple factors that determine the opening of the weirs. He also said there is a delayed reaction between the northern portion of the lake and the southern portion by the weirs. Just because the salinity is low up north doesn't make it low down south. I believe MG has said that many times on here.

And again, the management plan was created in 1987. That's 27 years old. And there is nothing now about the science behind marsh management and salinities that contradicts what was known in 1987. The only difference now is there were a couple of one time events (hurricanes) that set back the progress the weirs were making.

[redchaserron]

Originally Posted by "W"

Weirs should never be closed longer than a 2 weeks

Every Full Moon and New Moon they should be open for 72 hrs

What scientific data are you basing that on? Or do you only call for strict adherence to scientific data when you think it supports what's convenient for you in the short term?

There is no question that salt intrusion kills marsh and causes subsidence, if you think having the weirs closed impacts your fishing negatively now, wait until that marsh is gone.

[Tjethro85]

Originally Posted by redchaserron

What scientific data are you basing that on? Or do you only call for strict adherence to scientific data when you think it supports what's convenient for you in the short term?

There is no question that salt intrusion kills marsh and causes subsidence, if you think having the weirs closed impacts your fishing negatively now, wait until that marsh is gone.

What about when the salinity behind the weir is higher than In the lake and they won't open them because it hasn't rained?

[Smalls]

Originally Posted by Tjethro85

What about when the salinity behind the weir is higher than In the lake and they won't open them because it hasn't rained?

If you have 30 ppt in the marsh, and 15 in the lake, how much good is it really going to do to open the weirs?

Not much. An intermediate or brackish marsh can't take much over 10 ppt, so its irrelevant if you let 15 ppt in to an area that is 20+.

[redchaserron]

Originally Posted by Tjethro85

What about when the salinity behind the weir is higher than In the lake and they won't open them because it hasn't rained?

I watch the guage data that is available pretty faithfully because I really like fishing the marsh behind the weirs, and have to say it's been very rare that I've seen the circumstance you describe. Not to say it never happens but it's not a very regular occurance. There are however other factors than just salinity that go into the decisions on operation of the weirs. Do I think the weirs are operated "prefectly"? No, but I think a good faith effort is made to follow the management plan.