Concealed Weapon Permit

[CajunChristian]

To CC in church, there are several facets of the law to fulfill:
1. The announcement that there is an armed security team must be either announced by the Pastor or it must be placed in the bulletin.
2. The carrier must have a valid CC permit.
3. The carrier must attend tactical training every year a minimum of 8 hours.

If an individual does not fulfill any of those requirements, including that eight hours of training, they cannot legally have a concealed weapon in a church. Just because you have a concealed carry permit, there are still restrictions in place. There's limitations about where you can carry that weapon.
We discourage individuals that are not on the security team from carrying in our church. We like to know who is armed and who is not armed. And we find a surprising number of carriers that do not know the law.

The bigger problem for churches now is called "due diligence". With the attacks against churches in this country, church leadership can no longer claim they had no idea violence was possible in THEIR church. If an incident happens, and it can be a child incident, a spousal incident, anything, the victim can and usually will sue the Church for not protecting them. A blind man can see we have a problem with violence in church, why did they do nothing? Churches must practice due diligence. That kind of suit will bankrupt a church and destroy the membership. It's much cheaper to form a security team than to do nothing. At least the church attempted to prevent the incident.
I have set up security teams for 6 churches, written their SOP, guided them through tactical strategies for their particular church. It's 10 times more popular than the public thinks.

[marty f]

Originally Posted by CajunChristian

We discourage individuals that are not on the security team from carrying in our church. ..

What do you do when you suspect someone is carrying, not a suspect but a regular member or reg joe blow? ask them to leave?

[CajunChristian]

Originally Posted by marty f

What do you do when you suspect someone is carrying, not a suspect but a regular member or reg joe blow? ask them to leave?

No. We call another team member to assist. That team member is assigned to discreetly record the conversation with his phone. That is our SOP when any team member has interaction with church members, we record EVERYTHING. We ask the person if we can talk privately. We make them aware of the law and ask them not to carry in church, for their safety, as it could become very confusing if something happens. We have not had an unpleasant interaction yet. Our Pastor has given us the authority to ask them to leave if they refuse to comply with the law.
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[duckman1911]

Originally Posted by CajunChristian

No. We call another team member to assist. That team member is assigned to discreetly record the conversation with his phone. That is our SOP when any team member has interaction with church members, we record EVERYTHING. We ask the person if we can talk privately. We make them aware of the law and ask them not to carry in church, for their safety, as it could become very confusing if something happens. We have not had an unpleasant interaction yet. Our Pastor has given us the authority to ask them to leave if they refuse to comply with the law.
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I understand the law but you ask a person to not carry for their own safety? I don't understand that. I carry for my own safety. I don't trust anyone else to do the job for me or my family. I understand the church has policies and maybe that's why I don't go to any? You and your team are probably very good shooters and if so shouldn't they know who the bad guy is?

[eman]

Originally Posted by duckman1911

I understand the law but you ask a person to not carry for their own safety? I don't understand that. I carry for my own safety. I don't trust anyone else to do the job for me or my family. I understand the church has policies and maybe that's why I don't go to any? You and your team are probably very good shooters and if so shouldn't they know who the bad guy is?

The problem is not the security team knowing who the bad guy is . It's the member who is illegally carrying at church not knowing who all is on the security team. SHTF and all that guy sees is weapons he doesn't know good from Bad.

[Dogface]

Originally Posted by eman

The problem is not the security team knowing who the bad guy is . It's the member who is illegally carrying at church not knowing who all is on the security team. SHTF and all that guy sees is weapons he doesn't know good from Bad.

Very true. If something happens its important to know who the good guys are. We try to get together on a fairly regular basis so we all know each other and where we are positioned in the building.

[duckman1911]

Originally Posted by eman

The problem is not the security team knowing who the bad guy is . It's the member who is illegally carrying at church not knowing who all is on the security
team. SHTF and all that guy sees is weapons he doesn't know good from Bad.

Valid point. Maybe a meeting with the pastor and security team would be advised? Open carry and it's not illegal unless you are asked to leave and refuse. I mean what church would ask a law abiding man to leave a house of God? Surely no Christian would do that.

[eman]

Originally Posted by duckman1911

Valid point. Maybe a meeting with the pastor and security team would be advised? Open carry and it's not illegal unless you are asked to leave and refuse. I mean what church would ask a law abiding man to leave a house of God? Surely no Christian would do that.

CC and OC is illegal in a church unless you have permission from the head honcho.
reverend , pastor , priest etc,